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Give everyone a basic income.

by stuaxo 4y ago

xyzzy4747 4y ago
If everyone had a basic income, nobody would need to work. Jobs would be obsolete. Just think how nice the country would be.
- hospadar 4y ago
  I think this is a pretty big logical fallacy. There are TONS of people right now, today, who never need to work another day in their life and could live in a cozy dry home with plenty of food and decent healthcare - even in the US. Not just Jeff B & Elon, but plenty of well-off 50 year olds who _could_ retire, but would much rather keep working for a while longer so that their retirement involves trips to europe and fun boats instead of a modest home and little travel. Lots of people love their jobs, and love the things they can afford because they work harder than they strictly need to (me too! I definitely don't _need_ a nice espresso machine). Lots of start-up founders get into it because they genuinely want to make the world a better place, and the thought that they might be taking the blade from LGA and cruising around on a huge boat I'm sure doesn't hurt their desire to do the insanely hard work of starting a company. My personal hot take is that capitalism's emphasis on coercion (you only get healthcare if you work, we sometimes worry that our biggest problem is $15/hour workers slacking off) blinds us to the fact that lots of (most?) us really enjoy our work and love having something to do all day that feels useful.
- AnIdiotOnTheNet 4y ago
  Yes, because no one ever wants to make more money once they are able to afford the bare necessities of food and shelter.
  - xyzzy4747 4y ago
    My grandfather quit his job the moment he could go on welfare and live in a rent-controlled apartment in NYC. He never worked again.
- SketchySeaBeast 4y ago
  I assume you're currently intentionally working the least hours at the laziest job you can for subsistence money.
itsyaboi 4y ago
You seem to be conveniently forgetting the fact that first world lifestyles are only possible due to entire countries worth of third world slave labor. Someone has to do all this yucky boring work and by golly it's not going to be me! Out of sight, out of mind.

Give everyone a basic income.

by stuaxo 4y ago

Give everyone a basic income.

If everyone had a basic income, nobody would need to work. Jobs would be obsolete. Just think how nice the country would be.

hospadar 4y ago
I think this is a pretty big logical fallacy. There are TONS of people right now, today, who never need to work another day in their life and could live in a cozy dry home with plenty of food and decent healthcare - even in the US. Not just Jeff B & Elon, but plenty of well-off 50 year olds who _could_ retire, but would much rather keep working for a while longer so that their retirement involves trips to europe and fun boats instead of a modest home and little travel. Lots of people love their jobs, and love the things they can afford because they work harder than they strictly need to (me too! I definitely don't _need_ a nice espresso machine). Lots of start-up founders get into it because they genuinely want to make the world a better place, and the thought that they might be taking the blade from LGA and cruising around on a huge boat I'm sure doesn't hurt their desire to do the insanely hard work of starting a company. My personal hot take is that capitalism's emphasis on coercion (you only get healthcare if you work, we sometimes worry that our biggest problem is $15/hour workers slacking off) blinds us to the fact that lots of (most?) us really enjoy our work and love having something to do all day that feels useful.
AnIdiotOnTheNet 4y ago
Yes, because no one ever wants to make more money once they are able to afford the bare necessities of food and shelter.
- xyzzy4747 4y ago
  My grandfather quit his job the moment he could go on welfare and live in a rent-controlled apartment in NYC. He never worked again.
SketchySeaBeast 4y ago
I assume you're currently intentionally working the least hours at the laziest job you can for subsistence money.

itsyaboi 4y ago

You seem to be conveniently forgetting the fact that first world lifestyles are only possible due to entire countries worth of third world slave labor. Someone has to do all this yucky boring work and by golly it's not going to be me! Out of sight, out of mind.