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> everything we know about Elon Musk Care to share with "us" what is it that "we" know about Elon Musk?

by bheadmaster 4y ago

camillomiller 4y ago
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- christophilus 4y ago
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  - iancmceachern 4y ago
    There are plenty of regular good people who are CEOs, you just never hear about them in the news.
    - ilyt 4y ago
      Or, hey are just as bad but know when to shut up. There is no evidence for "they are regular good people" and many big companies acting shitty...
      - iancmceachern 4y ago
        I personally know plenty, that's my evidence. I also personally knowing morally bankrupt people. I know morally bankrupt people who aren't CEOs, I know good people who are. These are separate adjectives.
  - tablespoon 4y ago
    >> Unless you don’t wanna see it, that he’s a sociopathic personality with too much capital fueling his god complex and a brittle long-termism agenda? > So, he’s your standard CEO, then. Got it. He's definitely not "your standard CEO." How could you even say something like that with a straight face? Those aren't binary qualities and he seems to have them to a far larger degree than other CEOs. Alternatively, for someone in his position, he is unusually lacking the social skills or self-control needed to mask them.
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  - RalfWausE 4y ago
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- belltaco 4y ago
  So Musk, who has done and is doing a lot to reduce air pollution(which is causing 6.5 million deaths per year) and climate change is sociopathic, but all the oil executives get a free pass, got it. Care to expand how he's sociopathic?
  - michaelt 4y ago
    camillomiller didn't say oil executives aren't sociopathic.
  - bmitc 4y ago
    This is the same pope of climate change who wanted to build concrete tunnels underneath cities to transmit a single brand of car and wants to build gigantic rockets to go to Mars in a billionaire pissing contest? The likelihood of EVs and Tesla in particular impacting climate change is minuscule and much overhyped and oversold.
    - belltaco 4y ago
      How are those things sociopathic?
      - bmitc 4y ago
        I was responding to the idea that he is supposedly a savior for climate change. Regarding sociopathy, I’m not a psychologist, but he seems clearly a narcissist. He almost feels too sensitive and needy to be a sociopath, but who knows.
    - mensetmanusman 4y ago
      Tesla ignited this EV moment. If humanity using EVs will have a minuscule impact on climate change, then you are correct.
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- bheadmaster 4y ago
  > sociopathic personality He seems pretty down-to-ground to me, personally, especially compared to other people of similar wealth. What actions/behavior of his make you think he's sociopathic? > too much capital I personally agree, but this is still a subjective opinion, not a real criticism. The more general implication of this is that there is such a thing as "too much capital", in which case we need to draw the line - at which point exactly capital becomes too much? A million dollars? A billion? > brittle long-termism agenda Brittle or not, arguing that Elon cares only about long term is factually false - he already delivered many things, including Tesla electric cars and Starlink internet service, which are useful here and now.
  - FartyMcFarter 4y ago
    > What actions/behavior of his make you think he's sociopathic? Just look at the way he's been treating Twitter employees. For example, making a joke by bringing a "sink in" [1] the company right before making pre-announced firings. That episode right there tells you he's more concerned with making a joke for the lolz than about the emotions of his new employees, which is a pretty clear sociopathic action. [1] https://mashable.com/article/elon-musk-twitter-purchase-sink-jokes-memes https://mashable.com/article/elon-musk-twitter-purchase-sink...
    - bheadmaster 4y ago
      What would be the acceptable performance when laying people off, from your perspective?
      - FartyMcFarter 4y ago
        For the specific example I mentioned, it clearly could have been handled much more sensitively. Don't make bombastic jokes when entering a company you're about to eviscerate. It looks tacky, insensitive, and leaves a bad first impression on the people working there.
        bheadmaster 4y ago
- dang 4y ago
  Please don't post like this to HN. No one is saying you owe billionaire CEOs better, but you owe this community better if you're participating in it. It's about what poisoning the ecosystem does to us. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.

> everything we know about Elon Musk Care to share with "us" what is it that "we" know about Elon Musk?

camillomiller 4y ago

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christophilus 4y ago
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- iancmceachern 4y ago
  There are plenty of regular good people who are CEOs, you just never hear about them in the news.
  - ilyt 4y ago
    Or, hey are just as bad but know when to shut up. There is no evidence for "they are regular good people" and many big companies acting shitty...
    - iancmceachern 4y ago
      I personally know plenty, that's my evidence. I also personally knowing morally bankrupt people. I know morally bankrupt people who aren't CEOs, I know good people who are. These are separate adjectives.
- tablespoon 4y ago
  >> Unless you don’t wanna see it, that he’s a sociopathic personality with too much capital fueling his god complex and a brittle long-termism agenda? > So, he’s your standard CEO, then. Got it. He's definitely not "your standard CEO." How could you even say something like that with a straight face? Those aren't binary qualities and he seems to have them to a far larger degree than other CEOs. Alternatively, for someone in his position, he is unusually lacking the social skills or self-control needed to mask them.
  - deleted 4y ago
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- RalfWausE 4y ago
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deleted 4y ago
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belltaco 4y ago
So Musk, who has done and is doing a lot to reduce air pollution(which is causing 6.5 million deaths per year) and climate change is sociopathic, but all the oil executives get a free pass, got it. Care to expand how he's sociopathic?
- michaelt 4y ago
  camillomiller didn't say oil executives aren't sociopathic.
- bmitc 4y ago
  This is the same pope of climate change who wanted to build concrete tunnels underneath cities to transmit a single brand of car and wants to build gigantic rockets to go to Mars in a billionaire pissing contest? The likelihood of EVs and Tesla in particular impacting climate change is minuscule and much overhyped and oversold.
  - belltaco 4y ago
    How are those things sociopathic?
    - bmitc 4y ago
      I was responding to the idea that he is supposedly a savior for climate change. Regarding sociopathy, I’m not a psychologist, but he seems clearly a narcissist. He almost feels too sensitive and needy to be a sociopath, but who knows.
  - mensetmanusman 4y ago
    Tesla ignited this EV moment. If humanity using EVs will have a minuscule impact on climate change, then you are correct.
    - deleted 4y ago
      [deleted]
    - 4y ago
bheadmaster 4y ago
> sociopathic personality He seems pretty down-to-ground to me, personally, especially compared to other people of similar wealth. What actions/behavior of his make you think he's sociopathic? > too much capital I personally agree, but this is still a subjective opinion, not a real criticism. The more general implication of this is that there is such a thing as "too much capital", in which case we need to draw the line - at which point exactly capital becomes too much? A million dollars? A billion? > brittle long-termism agenda Brittle or not, arguing that Elon cares only about long term is factually false - he already delivered many things, including Tesla electric cars and Starlink internet service, which are useful here and now.
- FartyMcFarter 4y ago
  > What actions/behavior of his make you think he's sociopathic? Just look at the way he's been treating Twitter employees. For example, making a joke by bringing a "sink in" [1] the company right before making pre-announced firings. That episode right there tells you he's more concerned with making a joke for the lolz than about the emotions of his new employees, which is a pretty clear sociopathic action. [1] https://mashable.com/article/elon-musk-twitter-purchase-sink-jokes-memes https://mashable.com/article/elon-musk-twitter-purchase-sink...
  - bheadmaster 4y ago
    What would be the acceptable performance when laying people off, from your perspective?
    - FartyMcFarter 4y ago
      For the specific example I mentioned, it clearly could have been handled much more sensitively. Don't make bombastic jokes when entering a company you're about to eviscerate. It looks tacky, insensitive, and leaves a bad first impression on the people working there.
      - bheadmaster 4y ago
dang 4y ago
Please don't post like this to HN. No one is saying you owe billionaire CEOs better, but you owe this community better if you're participating in it. It's about what poisoning the ecosystem does to us. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.