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It sacrifices decentralization and it has poor reliability.

nailer 4y ago
The post you’re replying to discusses and measures centralisation. I’m happy to discuss reliability but it doesn’t appear we’re having a conversation.
- vlovich123 4y ago
  I have no horse in this game but the Wikipedia page [1] doesn’t line up with the story you’re painting: > On 30 April and 1 May, 2022, Solana experienced major outages due to being taken offline by bots.[18] On 1 June, 2022 Solana reportedly[19] suffered another outage due to a bug in how the blockchain processes offline transactions. On 1 October, 2022, the Solana network went down for 6 hours due to a single misconfigured node. In a properly decentralized system, how does 1 misconfigured node take down the entire system? That looks like a single point of failure to me, something decentralized systems aren’t supposed to have. Can you elaborate how your distinguishing reliability and centralization in the context of single node failures? [1]: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solana_(blockchain_platform) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solana_(blockchain_platform)
  - nailer 4y ago
    Sure - it’s a bug, it’s been fixed. The issue occurred on 30 Sep and there’s a discussion here: https://solana.com/news/09-30-22-solana-mainnet-beta-outage-report https://solana.com/news/09-30-22-solana-mainnet-beta-outage-... And the fix: https://github.com/solana-labs/solana/pull/28172 https://github.com/solana-labs/solana/pull/28172 That’s how software works. Things break. They particularly break at scale. Nobody’s done this before. If Eth was as busy it would break too.
    - kayamon 4y ago
      They have done it before -- Bitcoin existed first, and has kept clearing transactions every ten minutes since, and will continue to do so once Solana is long dead.
      - nailer 4y ago
        Bitcoin and Eth have nowhere near the usage of Solana.
        snapcaster 4y ago
        and Solana has way less usage than the average postgres DB running webapp xyz
        nailer 4y ago
        Nope: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33879077 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33879077
        snapcaster 4y ago
        I don't see how your link disputes my claim
        nailer 4y ago
        ok
    - TimJRobinson 4y ago
      Ethereum and Bitcoin don't break because they thought about "What happens if we get DDOS'd" and added a fee market, something Solana still hasn't properly addressed which is why it still falls over when attacked by spam. A network falling over because of high usage or (in this case) one validator had a misconfigured node is extremely bad.
      - nailer 4y ago
        Eth and Bitcoin don't have high usage. And the issue with the single validator mentioned, as you'll be aware from reading https://github.com/solana-labs/solana/pull/28172 https://github.com/solana-labs/solana/pull/28172, wasn't a design failure, but a software issue. Bitcoin and Eth have those too.

The post you’re replying to discusses and measures centralisation. I’m happy to discuss reliability but it doesn’t appear we’re having a conversation.

vlovich123 4y ago
I have no horse in this game but the Wikipedia page [1] doesn’t line up with the story you’re painting: > On 30 April and 1 May, 2022, Solana experienced major outages due to being taken offline by bots.[18] On 1 June, 2022 Solana reportedly[19] suffered another outage due to a bug in how the blockchain processes offline transactions. On 1 October, 2022, the Solana network went down for 6 hours due to a single misconfigured node. In a properly decentralized system, how does 1 misconfigured node take down the entire system? That looks like a single point of failure to me, something decentralized systems aren’t supposed to have. Can you elaborate how your distinguishing reliability and centralization in the context of single node failures? [1]: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solana_(blockchain_platform) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solana_(blockchain_platform)
- nailer 4y ago
  Sure - it’s a bug, it’s been fixed. The issue occurred on 30 Sep and there’s a discussion here: https://solana.com/news/09-30-22-solana-mainnet-beta-outage-report https://solana.com/news/09-30-22-solana-mainnet-beta-outage-... And the fix: https://github.com/solana-labs/solana/pull/28172 https://github.com/solana-labs/solana/pull/28172 That’s how software works. Things break. They particularly break at scale. Nobody’s done this before. If Eth was as busy it would break too.
  - kayamon 4y ago
    They have done it before -- Bitcoin existed first, and has kept clearing transactions every ten minutes since, and will continue to do so once Solana is long dead.
    - nailer 4y ago
      Bitcoin and Eth have nowhere near the usage of Solana.
      - snapcaster 4y ago
        and Solana has way less usage than the average postgres DB running webapp xyz
        nailer 4y ago
        Nope: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33879077 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33879077
        snapcaster 4y ago
        I don't see how your link disputes my claim
        nailer 4y ago
        ok
  - TimJRobinson 4y ago
    Ethereum and Bitcoin don't break because they thought about "What happens if we get DDOS'd" and added a fee market, something Solana still hasn't properly addressed which is why it still falls over when attacked by spam. A network falling over because of high usage or (in this case) one validator had a misconfigured node is extremely bad.
    - nailer 4y ago
      Eth and Bitcoin don't have high usage. And the issue with the single validator mentioned, as you'll be aware from reading https://github.com/solana-labs/solana/pull/28172 https://github.com/solana-labs/solana/pull/28172, wasn't a design failure, but a software issue. Bitcoin and Eth have those too.