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No, that will also not happen. More developers will get hired, because ChatGPT will not perform the higher function tasks most developers actually spend most o

No, that will also not happen. More developers will get hired, because ChatGPT will not perform the higher function tasks most developers actually spend most of their time working on. The reason this will happen, is because ChatGPT will be more efficient in performing the lower function tasks and there will be more of a need to put all that automatically created code into actual use, integrate it with Enterprise Package FooCPT, figure out what caused the product outage at 2am at night. And on and on and on. Not to mention that ChatGPT will not be able to talk to your users about what they want next, convince your manager that that's the right thing to do and everything else that you need to do on top of the coding part to be a good developer. What possibly will happen is that junior developers will have even harder time getting into the industry, because clueless PHBs will see ChatGPT doing all their work "for free". A few years later they're screwed, because nobody at the company knows how their applications work. Except ChatGPT...maybe.

rvz 4y ago
> What possibly will happen is that junior developers will have even harder time getting into the industry, because clueless PHBs will see ChatGPT doing all their work "for free". A few years later they're screwed, because nobody at the company knows how their applications work. Except ChatGPT...maybe. Reads like what I said before. Some will be affected and less programmers will be needed,. Especially in particular, juniors and some seniors getting impacted. I don't know where I said 'All jobs' as you once again brought out as you clear read incorrectly. I only said less programmers will be hired and these software engineering jobs will be more competitive. The best course of action is to learn to adapt and it certainly applies to programmers. Pretending that they don't need to adapt is a delusion and denial of constant change. With or without AI.
- rajin444 4y ago
  Who’s going to write new code to train the model? Who’s going to figure out why the code generated by the model is slightly off? The performance gains from chatgpt are going to be amazing from a quality of life perspective but overall not a huge change (except maybe in some niche roles). Programmers are not spending much of their time figuring out code that chatgpt can generate.
  - vl 4y ago
    The question is not who, but how many people are required to write code to train model? You are like a peasant arguing about security of their job in the beginning of 20th century after seeing a tractor. Sure there are farmers now, but much fewer of them is needed.
- vl 4y ago
  You are right, but it doesn’t fit worldview of your opponents, they are just too scared to think this thoughts. To anyone who used Copilot and ChatGPT it is obvious that in 5 years demands for entry to software dev will be much higher, and there will be less positions open, because sheer productivity increases for the already employed people will outpace the demand. It’s like peasants arguing about security of their future prospects in the beginning of 20th century after seeing a tractor. Winter is coming, but they just can’t believe this since their income directly depends on this not being true.
  - ghaff 4y ago
    No one is hiring ditch diggers because someday they may grow to become backhoe operators. No one is hiring content farm writers who can be replaced by an AI with someone a bit more senior providing some basic supervision. And no one will hire junior developers when frameworks, AIs, etc. can replace 90% of what they can do.
ineedausername 4y ago
About that last point, imagine the horror of having the responsibility to maintain whatever the AI wrote 3 years ago. :)

rvz 4y ago

> What possibly will happen is that junior developers will have even harder time getting into the industry, because clueless PHBs will see ChatGPT doing all their work "for free". A few years later they're screwed, because nobody at the company knows how their applications work. Except ChatGPT...maybe. Reads like what I said before. Some will be affected and less programmers will be needed,. Especially in particular, juniors and some seniors getting impacted. I don't know where I said 'All jobs' as you once again brought out as you clear read incorrectly. I only said less programmers will be hired and these software engineering jobs will be more competitive. The best course of action is to learn to adapt and it certainly applies to programmers. Pretending that they don't need to adapt is a delusion and denial of constant change. With or without AI.

rajin444 4y ago
Who’s going to write new code to train the model? Who’s going to figure out why the code generated by the model is slightly off? The performance gains from chatgpt are going to be amazing from a quality of life perspective but overall not a huge change (except maybe in some niche roles). Programmers are not spending much of their time figuring out code that chatgpt can generate.
- vl 4y ago
  The question is not who, but how many people are required to write code to train model? You are like a peasant arguing about security of their job in the beginning of 20th century after seeing a tractor. Sure there are farmers now, but much fewer of them is needed.
vl 4y ago
You are right, but it doesn’t fit worldview of your opponents, they are just too scared to think this thoughts. To anyone who used Copilot and ChatGPT it is obvious that in 5 years demands for entry to software dev will be much higher, and there will be less positions open, because sheer productivity increases for the already employed people will outpace the demand. It’s like peasants arguing about security of their future prospects in the beginning of 20th century after seeing a tractor. Winter is coming, but they just can’t believe this since their income directly depends on this not being true.
- ghaff 4y ago
  No one is hiring ditch diggers because someday they may grow to become backhoe operators. No one is hiring content farm writers who can be replaced by an AI with someone a bit more senior providing some basic supervision. And no one will hire junior developers when frameworks, AIs, etc. can replace 90% of what they can do.

ineedausername 4y ago

About that last point, imagine the horror of having the responsibility to maintain whatever the AI wrote 3 years ago. :)