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I get it that this stuff is confusing and can be hard to make sense of at first, but gender identity and sexuality are completely different things. Also I'm no

I get it that this stuff is confusing and can be hard to make sense of at first, but gender identity and sexuality are completely different things. Also I'm not accusing anyone of pushing this on their kids, rather, our society does it in massive doses. Watch most children's TV shows or movies and heteronormativity is abundant. For a pretty clean example of this check out the movie Up by Pixar. The first 10 minutes of the movie are devoted to Carl & Ellie's relationship and the loss of that relationship serves as a major driver for the movie. Also there's nothing wrong with showing children this kind of content. It helps them make sense of the world. However, there is an issue with representation. When it's all they see then it constrains their minds as to what is possible.

dahfizz 4y ago
> I get it that this stuff is confusing and can be hard to make sense of at first, but gender identity and sexuality are completely different things. Yeah, but the comment OP is responding to was explicitly about letting kids "explore their sexuality".
- maxbond 4y ago
  > With these pressures lessening more and more people are feeling empowered to explore their sexuality. Emphasis mine. The comment is not, in fact, about letting children explore their sexuality, but people. (When you consider the parent of that comment, that still does not add context implying that we're talking about kids.) The only part of the comment which discusses children is this: > For the last several decades society put massive pressure on kids to conform to heteronormativity. To read this as sexualizing children is misunderstanding the term heteronormativity, but regardless, this is the behavior that is being criticized, not championed.
  - dahfizz 4y ago
    You chopped the one statement into different "parts". Here is the comment in question: > For the last several decades society put massive pressure on kids to conform to heteronormativity. With these pressures lessening more and more people are feeling empowered to explore their sexuality. In a maximally generous interpretation, you could say that the "kids" in the first half and the "people" in the second half of the statement are completely different subjects. I think that is a bit of a stretch, though. "For years I have been pruning the tomato plants in my garden. Now, I just let the _plants_ grow". Anyone reading that would assume "plants" refers to the aforementioned tomato plants, not cucumbers.
    - maxbond 4y ago
      They are different subjects, or if you prefer, the same subject at different times in their life. They're asserting that societal pressure experienced during childhood has an effect on how sexuality is expressed during adulthood. I chopped it into different parts in order to dissect and analyze it; I ultimately included the entire comment (except a sentence neither of us found relevant and you yourself didn't include), and I was not hiding anything; the entire comment was always available to be inspected, the structure and content of the comment was not in dispute, only it's interpretation. Consider that, in the example sentence you came up with, you are referring to the same subject, at different times.

dahfizz 4y ago

> I get it that this stuff is confusing and can be hard to make sense of at first, but gender identity and sexuality are completely different things. Yeah, but the comment OP is responding to was explicitly about letting kids "explore their sexuality".

maxbond 4y ago
> With these pressures lessening more and more people are feeling empowered to explore their sexuality. Emphasis mine. The comment is not, in fact, about letting children explore their sexuality, but people. (When you consider the parent of that comment, that still does not add context implying that we're talking about kids.) The only part of the comment which discusses children is this: > For the last several decades society put massive pressure on kids to conform to heteronormativity. To read this as sexualizing children is misunderstanding the term heteronormativity, but regardless, this is the behavior that is being criticized, not championed.
- dahfizz 4y ago
  You chopped the one statement into different "parts". Here is the comment in question: > For the last several decades society put massive pressure on kids to conform to heteronormativity. With these pressures lessening more and more people are feeling empowered to explore their sexuality. In a maximally generous interpretation, you could say that the "kids" in the first half and the "people" in the second half of the statement are completely different subjects. I think that is a bit of a stretch, though. "For years I have been pruning the tomato plants in my garden. Now, I just let the _plants_ grow". Anyone reading that would assume "plants" refers to the aforementioned tomato plants, not cucumbers.
  - maxbond 4y ago
    They are different subjects, or if you prefer, the same subject at different times in their life. They're asserting that societal pressure experienced during childhood has an effect on how sexuality is expressed during adulthood. I chopped it into different parts in order to dissect and analyze it; I ultimately included the entire comment (except a sentence neither of us found relevant and you yourself didn't include), and I was not hiding anything; the entire comment was always available to be inspected, the structure and content of the comment was not in dispute, only it's interpretation. Consider that, in the example sentence you came up with, you are referring to the same subject, at different times.