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Recently read the story of a detransitioner and the statistic that about a third falls of the radar (and due missing their hormones, almost certainly are unhapp

by brnt 4y ago

Recently read the story of a detransitioner and the statistic that about a third falls of the radar (and due missing their hormones, almost certainly are unhappy about the treatment). Social media are implicated in the spread of these ideas (all ideas), and the detransitioner pleaded for better info from professionals and an end to doctor neutrality for underage trans people. Changed my mind a bit.

somedude895 4y ago
Could be part of the Tavistock Center[0] story? The state of affairs around transsexuality is horrifying. Critical discussion is basically not allowed on moral grounds and most people who "study" the topic (eg gender studies), care for said patients (eg gender clinics), etc are the same people who already adhere to that no-criticism-allowed agenda. [0] https://news.sky.com/story/amp/nhs-gender-clinic-the-tavistock-centre-could-face-legal-action-over-alleged-failings-in-care-12670235 https://news.sky.com/story/amp/nhs-gender-clinic-the-tavisto...
ReactiveJelly 4y ago
idk I got a stapled packet of info from my provider and the effects are listed on Wikipedia these days for the stuff I'm on: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminizing_hormone_therapy#Effects https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminizing_hormone_therapy#Eff... It's a tradeoff. At least we can all agree that adults have the right to transition under an Informed Consent model. Countries like the UK, without IC, are hellholes for trans medical care. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1eWIshUzr8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1eWIshUzr8
- brnt 4y ago
  This is in the NL. Yes, they got a pile of folders, but in retrospect they would have wanted psychiatric care, because these issues were not treated and instead channelled into gender disphoria.
DarkWiiPlayer 4y ago
Less than 1%. That's the number of people who detransition simply because they didn't feel it was the right thing for them. Of the less than 2% of detransitioners overall, the vast majority names reasons like social pressure, transitioning being too difficult, etc. Dunno what numbers you are talking about, but the ones I know certainly underline gender dysphoria being a very real thing and not some sort of "social contagion", and my personal experience definitely aligns with this as well: I don't know a single trans person who seems to regret transitioning, but a whole number of trans people who are struggling with the constant hate they get, fuelled in part by this sort of rhetoric. And since the article in one of the replies mentioned puberty blockers: They are 1. entirely reversible, 2. routinely prescribed to cis children for other medical reasons and 3. unlike these blockers, puberty is not reversible. Can I change your mind, even if just a little bit? I don't know; but if you really want to change your mind, start looking closely into the "statistics" of the right. Their misrepresentations are often absurdly superficial. It's all a lie, and the parts that aren't, usually aren't that bad.
- brnt 4y ago
  > Less than 1%. That's the number of people who detransition simply because they didn't feel it was the right thing for them. About 1% who do so through the hospital procrdures. About a third just stops showing up for followups and hormones. According to the detransitioner, who falls into that category, and has found a small community of similar people, this is what's wrong with the statistic: it's extremely important to not exclude the group that falls of the radar. Since they're not getting hormones anymore, the safest assumption is that they are stopping their transition (because they are) or detransitioning. A third is a very high amount. This is the NL btw.
  - DarkWiiPlayer 4y ago
    Please share where you got those numbers from, I'm sure there's a good laugh to be had about how anybody got that "one third" figure. A minor side note: Stopping hormones does not mean someone has stopped transitioning or is detransitioning. It just means they've stopped taking hormones. Second side note: Detransitioning doesn't mean the person isn't trans either, it just means they've stopped transitioning. Third side note: Just stopping hormones without talking to your doctor about it is a reeeeally bad idea. I'd be surprised if the number of these "under the radar" people was even on the same level as known detransitioners.

by brnt 4y ago

somedude895 4y ago

Could be part of the Tavistock Center[0] story? The state of affairs around transsexuality is horrifying. Critical discussion is basically not allowed on moral grounds and most people who "study" the topic (eg gender studies), care for said patients (eg gender clinics), etc are the same people who already adhere to that no-criticism-allowed agenda. [0] https://news.sky.com/story/amp/nhs-gender-clinic-the-tavistock-centre-could-face-legal-action-over-alleged-failings-in-care-12670235 https://news.sky.com/story/amp/nhs-gender-clinic-the-tavisto...

ReactiveJelly 4y ago

idk I got a stapled packet of info from my provider and the effects are listed on Wikipedia these days for the stuff I'm on: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminizing_hormone_therapy#Effects https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminizing_hormone_therapy#Eff... It's a tradeoff. At least we can all agree that adults have the right to transition under an Informed Consent model. Countries like the UK, without IC, are hellholes for trans medical care. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1eWIshUzr8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1eWIshUzr8

brnt 4y ago
This is in the NL. Yes, they got a pile of folders, but in retrospect they would have wanted psychiatric care, because these issues were not treated and instead channelled into gender disphoria.

DarkWiiPlayer 4y ago

Less than 1%. That's the number of people who detransition simply because they didn't feel it was the right thing for them. Of the less than 2% of detransitioners overall, the vast majority names reasons like social pressure, transitioning being too difficult, etc. Dunno what numbers you are talking about, but the ones I know certainly underline gender dysphoria being a very real thing and not some sort of "social contagion", and my personal experience definitely aligns with this as well: I don't know a single trans person who seems to regret transitioning, but a whole number of trans people who are struggling with the constant hate they get, fuelled in part by this sort of rhetoric. And since the article in one of the replies mentioned puberty blockers: They are 1. entirely reversible, 2. routinely prescribed to cis children for other medical reasons and 3. unlike these blockers, puberty is not reversible. Can I change your mind, even if just a little bit? I don't know; but if you really want to change your mind, start looking closely into the "statistics" of the right. Their misrepresentations are often absurdly superficial. It's all a lie, and the parts that aren't, usually aren't that bad.

brnt 4y ago
> Less than 1%. That's the number of people who detransition simply because they didn't feel it was the right thing for them. About 1% who do so through the hospital procrdures. About a third just stops showing up for followups and hormones. According to the detransitioner, who falls into that category, and has found a small community of similar people, this is what's wrong with the statistic: it's extremely important to not exclude the group that falls of the radar. Since they're not getting hormones anymore, the safest assumption is that they are stopping their transition (because they are) or detransitioning. A third is a very high amount. This is the NL btw.
- DarkWiiPlayer 4y ago
  Please share where you got those numbers from, I'm sure there's a good laugh to be had about how anybody got that "one third" figure. A minor side note: Stopping hormones does not mean someone has stopped transitioning or is detransitioning. It just means they've stopped taking hormones. Second side note: Detransitioning doesn't mean the person isn't trans either, it just means they've stopped transitioning. Third side note: Just stopping hormones without talking to your doctor about it is a reeeeally bad idea. I'd be surprised if the number of these "under the radar" people was even on the same level as known detransitioners.