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This thread exemplifies that quote: >Any change (invention) that happens before you're 10 is just life. Any change that happens after you're 35 is a disaster

This thread exemplifies that quote: >Any change (invention) that happens before you're 10 is just life. Any change that happens after you're 35 is a disaster and should be banned.

Ekaros 4y ago
Maybe I'm born old. But I'm not yet 35 and feel that everything to do with mobile apps was mistake and should have been banned.
- LatteLazy 4y ago
  I think that is definitely the mood right now. But really? Is that actually a smart rational response or are we just getting caught up in the inevitable backlash? I like my banking apps, I can see my balance and move cash and pay for things instantly and more securely. Maps with GPS (and public transport integration) is a god send. I see only very very minor downsides to these. To be clear, there is plenty that I don't like (privacy has basically gone to zero for a start, plus the distractions). I just think we were in "unreasonable optimism" for the first 8ish years of smart phones. Now we are in "unreasonable pessimism" mode. Neither were reasonable responses. I wish we could just skip to reasonable responses mode (pass a law requiring buildings over 10 residences to offer keys so you can always get one if you want and then let everyone get on with it?).
  - Ekaros 4y ago
    Banking apps. The most insecure way to do things. I have read the local news. Some old person is scammed, by making a fake site getting first the account id and the password for identification and then asked to provide secure on time code. And now after the app is installed it is fully trusted and the scammer is free to steal all the money. Where as with website you need to verify each transaction with one time code. If I was there when legislation was written I would have banned making transactions and approving them on same device.
    - LatteLazy 4y ago
      That would ban cash machines wouldn't it? I can see the need for a "non tech user" account for old people. Why not just mandate that as an option and let those of us happy with apps (which I think are much more secure than websites because you cannot divert/phish them) get on with it?
alpaca128 4y ago
Any technology invented when you're a child is cool, up until the point you learn about the bad parts. You can only read so many reports of IoT devices causing damage, violating human rights or killing people until you realise a simple physical lock might not be that bad.

This thread exemplifies that quote: >Any change (invention) that happens before you're 10 is just life. Any change that happens after you're 35 is a disaster and should be banned.

Ekaros 4y ago

Maybe I'm born old. But I'm not yet 35 and feel that everything to do with mobile apps was mistake and should have been banned.

LatteLazy 4y ago
I think that is definitely the mood right now. But really? Is that actually a smart rational response or are we just getting caught up in the inevitable backlash? I like my banking apps, I can see my balance and move cash and pay for things instantly and more securely. Maps with GPS (and public transport integration) is a god send. I see only very very minor downsides to these. To be clear, there is plenty that I don't like (privacy has basically gone to zero for a start, plus the distractions). I just think we were in "unreasonable optimism" for the first 8ish years of smart phones. Now we are in "unreasonable pessimism" mode. Neither were reasonable responses. I wish we could just skip to reasonable responses mode (pass a law requiring buildings over 10 residences to offer keys so you can always get one if you want and then let everyone get on with it?).
- Ekaros 4y ago
  Banking apps. The most insecure way to do things. I have read the local news. Some old person is scammed, by making a fake site getting first the account id and the password for identification and then asked to provide secure on time code. And now after the app is installed it is fully trusted and the scammer is free to steal all the money. Where as with website you need to verify each transaction with one time code. If I was there when legislation was written I would have banned making transactions and approving them on same device.
  - LatteLazy 4y ago
    That would ban cash machines wouldn't it? I can see the need for a "non tech user" account for old people. Why not just mandate that as an option and let those of us happy with apps (which I think are much more secure than websites because you cannot divert/phish them) get on with it?

alpaca128 4y ago

Any technology invented when you're a child is cool, up until the point you learn about the bad parts. You can only read so many reports of IoT devices causing damage, violating human rights or killing people until you realise a simple physical lock might not be that bad.