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"""However, that's exactly seems to be the case with some people here. I am reading about how people want to get other companies to drop GoDaddy to prove a poin

"""However, that's exactly seems to be the case with some people here. I am reading about how people want to get other companies to drop GoDaddy to prove a point. And what point is that? That if other people/companies have a different opinion than yours, that they're automatically the bad guy and you need to do everything you can to beat them to a pulp?""" Supporting SOPA is not "having an opinion" --in their own private home--, it's actively supporting and helping a legislation pass. Those kinds of opinions have consequences. GoDaddy's opinion (and lobbying) could have the consequence of a law passed. Why shouldn't it also have the consequence of them losing business? So you are wrong here. This is not about "freedom of opinion", it's about political action, and fighting against society being forced into laws one does not approve. Not paying a company and suggesting others to not pay them either, is not bullying. It's exactly like suggesting people don't vote for a party you don't agree with.

steventruong 15y ago
Then how do you explain the fact that after GoDaddy change their stance to oppose SOPA, people were still going on with the "who cares, lets get others to continue dropping them" (paraphrasing). Believe it or not, that attitude is still going on. I believe that the moment they admit and change their stance, continuing to do so became a moot point. As I said, I'm still going to move my business off GoDaddy, but that's a personal choice at this point. Now that they're not opposing SOPA anymore (supposedly), why are people still trying to rally large companies to quit using GoDaddy? Clearly there is a problem here in my opinion. EDIT: Clearly I'm not the only one who've observed this behavior, see: http://fredandrandall.com/blog/2011/12/23/why-im-sticking-with-godaddy-for-now/ http://fredandrandall.com/blog/2011/12/23/why-im-sticking-wi... (from HN)
- redthrowaway 15y ago
  Because, in their own words, they worked closely with legislators to craft the bill. Their damage control is just that; their flip-flop is just due to the pressure and not the result of some revelation on their part. There's a difference between piling on someone after they admit they're wrong, and discontinuing business with a company after they are forced to recant a very unpopular statement. GoDaddy does not deserve your empathy. They are a company who worked hard to get this legislation passed. They are doing what is in their financial best interest now, not acting according to conscience.
- dextorious 15y ago
  """Then how do you explain the fact that after GoDaddy change their stance to oppose SOPA, people were still going on with the "who cares, lets get others to continue dropping them" (paraphrasing). Believe it or not, that attitude is still going on.""" Not only I believe, I also approve it. GoDaddy's hypocritical turn-around means nothing, it's just damage control. The idea is not to "bully them into behavin'", it's to not support a company that doesn't respect our internet rights, period. They should not have supported SOPA in the first place --especially given that they are a tech company.
  - steventruong 15y ago
    We'll have to agree to disagree here to an extent. As I've said, there comes a point when all you're doing now is trying to hurt them. Whether you realize it or not, or whether you can acknowledge it or not, that's blatant bullying. I whole-heartedly agree with the premise of not supporting GoDaddy on the premise you're arguing about. Like I said earlier, I'm moving my business elsewhere either way regardless of the fact that they've let up. But now that they've let up, blatantly rallying against them even more to damage their company or going out of your way to continue getting other companies to continue moving off of them when the original goal was to focus on SOPA itself (of which seemed accomplish as far as GoDaddy is concerned) is just personal vendetta. As I said in my original post above, remember what you're fighting for. Continuing to destroy GoDaddy isn't going to help push the fight against SOPA any more or less at this point. Now you're just fighting in anger, in personal moral beliefs, etc. I perfectly understand where you're coming from, believe me. Hopefully you see what I'm trying to say as well.
    - kls 15y ago
      In the larger picture, other future companies will reflect on GoDaddy actions, if the pressure was pulled off now the lesson would be, hey you can support some pretty crappy anti-consumer stuff and then just say hey I am sorry. Now in GoDaddy's case it's not like they are just passer-by supporters of this bill, they are culpable in the very creation of it and to assume that they have now seen the light due to financial punishment, would be to say the least giving them a lot of credit. Far worse it would change the very lesson of the historical context of what is now playing out. You see GoDaddy stepped across the line into politics and corruption and paid to play, when one starts dealing with politics it is no longer a business transaction, they are bartering in peoples rights. Doing so can lead to war, which what GoDaddy is dealing with is very akin to, and rightfully so, a business deal is one thing, but when you get on the wrong side of peoples rights, you should expect that those people are going to go to war. They have every right to do so, because a piece of their freedom is at stake. It's not about "I'm sorry's" at that point, the stakes are much higher, an example must be set so that future actors learn that rights are not tools for barter. If GoDaddy does not like that they have fired the first shot, then they should have kept to domains and steered clear of brokering peoples rights for profit. GoDaddy stepped out of the lines of business and tried to mandate consumers actions via legislation, no one should expect that they be treated like a business when they did so, they no loner are because they are not acting like one, a better definition for them would be the enemy. In saying that, I do want to thank you, mob rule and justice must be checked, we must have decent, so that people stop to think about their actions, in my opinion, they are justified in this case, but we should always take time to reflect. For me personally, I wrote GoDaddy an email asking how they plan to financially oppose the legislation now that they are sorry. If I am satisfied with the answer I will remain, because I think it will make for even greater historical context, if they have to financially fight the very legislation that they helped craft. That lesson will resound as an example, for a very long time and as far as my ethics are concerned it is a narrative that I can support as a cautionary tale to future business leaders.

steventruong 15y ago

Then how do you explain the fact that after GoDaddy change their stance to oppose SOPA, people were still going on with the "who cares, lets get others to continue dropping them" (paraphrasing). Believe it or not, that attitude is still going on. I believe that the moment they admit and change their stance, continuing to do so became a moot point. As I said, I'm still going to move my business off GoDaddy, but that's a personal choice at this point. Now that they're not opposing SOPA anymore (supposedly), why are people still trying to rally large companies to quit using GoDaddy? Clearly there is a problem here in my opinion. EDIT: Clearly I'm not the only one who've observed this behavior, see: http://fredandrandall.com/blog/2011/12/23/why-im-sticking-with-godaddy-for-now/ http://fredandrandall.com/blog/2011/12/23/why-im-sticking-wi... (from HN)

redthrowaway 15y ago
Because, in their own words, they worked closely with legislators to craft the bill. Their damage control is just that; their flip-flop is just due to the pressure and not the result of some revelation on their part. There's a difference between piling on someone after they admit they're wrong, and discontinuing business with a company after they are forced to recant a very unpopular statement. GoDaddy does not deserve your empathy. They are a company who worked hard to get this legislation passed. They are doing what is in their financial best interest now, not acting according to conscience.
dextorious 15y ago
"""Then how do you explain the fact that after GoDaddy change their stance to oppose SOPA, people were still going on with the "who cares, lets get others to continue dropping them" (paraphrasing). Believe it or not, that attitude is still going on.""" Not only I believe, I also approve it. GoDaddy's hypocritical turn-around means nothing, it's just damage control. The idea is not to "bully them into behavin'", it's to not support a company that doesn't respect our internet rights, period. They should not have supported SOPA in the first place --especially given that they are a tech company.
- steventruong 15y ago
  We'll have to agree to disagree here to an extent. As I've said, there comes a point when all you're doing now is trying to hurt them. Whether you realize it or not, or whether you can acknowledge it or not, that's blatant bullying. I whole-heartedly agree with the premise of not supporting GoDaddy on the premise you're arguing about. Like I said earlier, I'm moving my business elsewhere either way regardless of the fact that they've let up. But now that they've let up, blatantly rallying against them even more to damage their company or going out of your way to continue getting other companies to continue moving off of them when the original goal was to focus on SOPA itself (of which seemed accomplish as far as GoDaddy is concerned) is just personal vendetta. As I said in my original post above, remember what you're fighting for. Continuing to destroy GoDaddy isn't going to help push the fight against SOPA any more or less at this point. Now you're just fighting in anger, in personal moral beliefs, etc. I perfectly understand where you're coming from, believe me. Hopefully you see what I'm trying to say as well.
  - kls 15y ago
    In the larger picture, other future companies will reflect on GoDaddy actions, if the pressure was pulled off now the lesson would be, hey you can support some pretty crappy anti-consumer stuff and then just say hey I am sorry. Now in GoDaddy's case it's not like they are just passer-by supporters of this bill, they are culpable in the very creation of it and to assume that they have now seen the light due to financial punishment, would be to say the least giving them a lot of credit. Far worse it would change the very lesson of the historical context of what is now playing out. You see GoDaddy stepped across the line into politics and corruption and paid to play, when one starts dealing with politics it is no longer a business transaction, they are bartering in peoples rights. Doing so can lead to war, which what GoDaddy is dealing with is very akin to, and rightfully so, a business deal is one thing, but when you get on the wrong side of peoples rights, you should expect that those people are going to go to war. They have every right to do so, because a piece of their freedom is at stake. It's not about "I'm sorry's" at that point, the stakes are much higher, an example must be set so that future actors learn that rights are not tools for barter. If GoDaddy does not like that they have fired the first shot, then they should have kept to domains and steered clear of brokering peoples rights for profit. GoDaddy stepped out of the lines of business and tried to mandate consumers actions via legislation, no one should expect that they be treated like a business when they did so, they no loner are because they are not acting like one, a better definition for them would be the enemy. In saying that, I do want to thank you, mob rule and justice must be checked, we must have decent, so that people stop to think about their actions, in my opinion, they are justified in this case, but we should always take time to reflect. For me personally, I wrote GoDaddy an email asking how they plan to financially oppose the legislation now that they are sorry. If I am satisfied with the answer I will remain, because I think it will make for even greater historical context, if they have to financially fight the very legislation that they helped craft. That lesson will resound as an example, for a very long time and as far as my ethics are concerned it is a narrative that I can support as a cautionary tale to future business leaders.