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I hope Neuralink makes reasonable efforts to minimise the impact of testing on animals. But state hindrance of Neuralink's research could delay or stop blind pe

by nomilk 4y ago

I hope Neuralink makes reasonable efforts to minimise the impact of testing on animals. But state hindrance of Neuralink's research could delay or stop blind people from gaining sight and quadriplegics from walking and gaining independence. These are themselves forms of harm whose negative effects could outweigh the impacts of testing imperfections by orders of magnitude.

Gigachad 4y ago
cactusplant7374 4y ago
A sentiment not shared by at least one expert in the field: https://twitter.com/miguelnicolelis/status/1598364258512904198 https://twitter.com/miguelnicolelis/status/15983642585129041... https://twitter.com/miguelnicolelis/status/1388948526416207872 https://twitter.com/miguelnicolelis/status/13889485264162078... https://twitter.com/miguelnicolelis/status/1380983162881331201 https://twitter.com/miguelnicolelis/status/13809831628813312...
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- lm28469 4y ago
  Wait are you saying Musk isn't a genius but more of a master marketer !?! When people will wake up it's going to be brutal. In 50 years we'll still talk about mars colonies and autonomous vehicles being "just around the corner"
  - starik36 4y ago
    The current version of Tesla autonomous vehicles is actually pretty darn good. I would consider it good enough for my uses. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaWjndujjzc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaWjndujjzc
    - cactusplant7374 4y ago
      Most people don't want to have their hands on the wheel if they are paying big money for a system like this. It's definitely nowhere close to good enough for having the hands off the wheel. I would argue that FSD requires more attention than normal driving because the software can do something rash unexpectedly.
giraffe_lady 4y ago
If you want to help disabled people there are a couple dozen movements that are very clear about the support and policy changes they need. We could tremendously improve hundreds of thousands of lives in a very short time frame with relatively very little money. If that were the goal.
- fzeroracer 4y ago
  Ah, but that's not a cool implant he promised you see. He was given a plan to potentially end world hunger with as little as 6 billion dollars, but instead paid 44 billion so he could post on Twitter. It's not actually about helping people, unfortunately.
lm28469 4y ago
> But state hindrance of Neuralink's research could delay or stop blind people from gaining sight and quadriplegics from walking and gaining independence. That's not even what neuralink's most optimistic PR is talking about This is what their website currently states: > With a Bluetooth connection, you would be able to potentially control any mouse or keyboard with your thoughts. Nobody's going to regain sight or movement, at best they'll gain mouse and keyboard control. And that's the positive side, god knows how it'll be weaponised by capitalism in the future
- theGnuMe 4y ago
  You can probably do with with a EEG headband already. There is also already eye tracking software. No need for an implant.
mzs 4y ago
"The problems with Neuralink’s testing have raised questions internally about the quality of the resulting data, three current or former employees said. Such problems could potentially delay the company’s bid to start human trials, which Musk has said the company wants to do within the next six months."
danaris 4y ago
This sounds very much like the kind of logic that's been roundly criticized from the Effective Altruism people in recent weeks. "This company has a goal to some day in the far future do massive amounts of unquestionable good! Therefore, you must allow them free rein to do whatever they want now, or you're keeping people disabled." We have ethical rules for scientific research for a reason. We have, as a society, decided that we value the lives, comfort, and dignity of both humans and (to a lesser degree) animals now more than potential future good. If we can get to that future good, we will be able to do so without resorting to destructive and unethical means...or it's not worth getting to.

by nomilk 4y ago

Gigachad 4y ago

cactusplant7374 4y ago

A sentiment not shared by at least one expert in the field: https://twitter.com/miguelnicolelis/status/1598364258512904198 https://twitter.com/miguelnicolelis/status/15983642585129041... https://twitter.com/miguelnicolelis/status/1388948526416207872 https://twitter.com/miguelnicolelis/status/13889485264162078... https://twitter.com/miguelnicolelis/status/1380983162881331201 https://twitter.com/miguelnicolelis/status/13809831628813312...

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lm28469 4y ago
Wait are you saying Musk isn't a genius but more of a master marketer !?! When people will wake up it's going to be brutal. In 50 years we'll still talk about mars colonies and autonomous vehicles being "just around the corner"
- starik36 4y ago
  The current version of Tesla autonomous vehicles is actually pretty darn good. I would consider it good enough for my uses. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaWjndujjzc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaWjndujjzc
  - cactusplant7374 4y ago
    Most people don't want to have their hands on the wheel if they are paying big money for a system like this. It's definitely nowhere close to good enough for having the hands off the wheel. I would argue that FSD requires more attention than normal driving because the software can do something rash unexpectedly.

giraffe_lady 4y ago

If you want to help disabled people there are a couple dozen movements that are very clear about the support and policy changes they need. We could tremendously improve hundreds of thousands of lives in a very short time frame with relatively very little money. If that were the goal.

fzeroracer 4y ago
Ah, but that's not a cool implant he promised you see. He was given a plan to potentially end world hunger with as little as 6 billion dollars, but instead paid 44 billion so he could post on Twitter. It's not actually about helping people, unfortunately.

lm28469 4y ago

> But state hindrance of Neuralink's research could delay or stop blind people from gaining sight and quadriplegics from walking and gaining independence. That's not even what neuralink's most optimistic PR is talking about This is what their website currently states: > With a Bluetooth connection, you would be able to potentially control any mouse or keyboard with your thoughts. Nobody's going to regain sight or movement, at best they'll gain mouse and keyboard control. And that's the positive side, god knows how it'll be weaponised by capitalism in the future

theGnuMe 4y ago
You can probably do with with a EEG headband already. There is also already eye tracking software. No need for an implant.

mzs 4y ago

"The problems with Neuralink’s testing have raised questions internally about the quality of the resulting data, three current or former employees said. Such problems could potentially delay the company’s bid to start human trials, which Musk has said the company wants to do within the next six months."

danaris 4y ago

This sounds very much like the kind of logic that's been roundly criticized from the Effective Altruism people in recent weeks. "This company has a goal to some day in the far future do massive amounts of unquestionable good! Therefore, you must allow them free rein to do whatever they want now, or you're keeping people disabled." We have ethical rules for scientific research for a reason. We have, as a society, decided that we value the lives, comfort, and dignity of both humans and (to a lesser degree) animals now more than potential future good. If we can get to that future good, we will be able to do so without resorting to destructive and unethical means...or it's not worth getting to.