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plenty of accurate ways to critique elon, no need to make yourself look foolish by suggesting tesla and spacex and other ventures are just ponzi schemes.

DennisAleynikov 4y ago
Yeah, as if musk isn't going to put his "BlueTooth chip" in his own brain. What is this critique its just low quality anti-musk sentiment
- TigeriusKirk 4y ago
  It won't be Musk, but I would not be at all shocked if one of the people there gets an implant with no official or public record of it very early on in this process.
  - kjksf 4y ago
    What kind of public record do you expect for a private medical procedure?
slimebot80 4y ago
Confidence tricks, then. The scheme collapses if people above you on the pyramid stop believing. Tax funded, also.
- kjksf 4y ago
  Do you mean that Model 3 and Model Y will disappear when people stop believing they are real?
  - slimebot80 4y ago
    Nope.
- chroma 4y ago
  SpaceX launches more payload to orbit than the rest of the world combined. They're the only ones who have managed to land orbital boosters. Tesla has manufactured over 3 million cars. They are so successful that the majority of electric vehicles in developed countries are Teslas. Since Tesla is a publicly traded company, you can look at their SEC filings and see that less than 2% of their revenue comes from subsidies.[1] 86% of their revenue is from selling and leasing cars. 8% is from services related to those cars, and 5% is from energy generation and storage. In Tesla's accounting, regulatory credits are a rounding error. I have a hard time figuring out how either of these businesses are a confidence trick. 1. https://www.sec.gov/ix?doc=/Archives/edgar/data/1318605/000095017022019867/tsla-20220930.htm https://www.sec.gov/ix?doc=/Archives/edgar/data/1318605/0000...
  - slimebot80 4y ago
    They won contracts to launch rockets, yes. NASA could of also taken on those contracts and launched more rockets than they are currently are doing. Elon isn't launching them on is lonesome as some great misunderstood innovator. He's the public face to a lot of investment, which could easily go elsewhere and be more or less successful, who knows.
    - pseudo0 4y ago
      Feel free to have whatever opinion you want of Elon Musk, but SpaceX has been wildly successful by just about every metric. In terms of cost, they are launching payloads at 1/44th the cost per kg of the Space Shuttle and at a fraction of the cost of their private sector competitors. Also, there's the fact that we were bumming rides off the Russians for a decade because of NASA's issues... https://medium.com/geekculture/spacex-vs-nasa-cost-4fae454823ac https://medium.com/geekculture/spacex-vs-nasa-cost-4fae45482...
      - slimebot80 4y ago
        Agreed, SpaceX is successful. Disagree that this excludes an alternative where public funds were spent elsewhere with similar success. More or less success, who knows. Feel free to maintain your bias, but it's a fact that smart engineers can achieve success under more than just one single showman.

DennisAleynikov 4y ago

Yeah, as if musk isn't going to put his "BlueTooth chip" in his own brain. What is this critique its just low quality anti-musk sentiment

TigeriusKirk 4y ago
It won't be Musk, but I would not be at all shocked if one of the people there gets an implant with no official or public record of it very early on in this process.
- kjksf 4y ago
  What kind of public record do you expect for a private medical procedure?

slimebot80 4y ago

Confidence tricks, then. The scheme collapses if people above you on the pyramid stop believing. Tax funded, also.

kjksf 4y ago
Do you mean that Model 3 and Model Y will disappear when people stop believing they are real?
- slimebot80 4y ago
  Nope.
chroma 4y ago
SpaceX launches more payload to orbit than the rest of the world combined. They're the only ones who have managed to land orbital boosters. Tesla has manufactured over 3 million cars. They are so successful that the majority of electric vehicles in developed countries are Teslas. Since Tesla is a publicly traded company, you can look at their SEC filings and see that less than 2% of their revenue comes from subsidies.[1] 86% of their revenue is from selling and leasing cars. 8% is from services related to those cars, and 5% is from energy generation and storage. In Tesla's accounting, regulatory credits are a rounding error. I have a hard time figuring out how either of these businesses are a confidence trick. 1. https://www.sec.gov/ix?doc=/Archives/edgar/data/1318605/000095017022019867/tsla-20220930.htm https://www.sec.gov/ix?doc=/Archives/edgar/data/1318605/0000...
- slimebot80 4y ago
  They won contracts to launch rockets, yes. NASA could of also taken on those contracts and launched more rockets than they are currently are doing. Elon isn't launching them on is lonesome as some great misunderstood innovator. He's the public face to a lot of investment, which could easily go elsewhere and be more or less successful, who knows.
  - pseudo0 4y ago
    Feel free to have whatever opinion you want of Elon Musk, but SpaceX has been wildly successful by just about every metric. In terms of cost, they are launching payloads at 1/44th the cost per kg of the Space Shuttle and at a fraction of the cost of their private sector competitors. Also, there's the fact that we were bumming rides off the Russians for a decade because of NASA's issues... https://medium.com/geekculture/spacex-vs-nasa-cost-4fae454823ac https://medium.com/geekculture/spacex-vs-nasa-cost-4fae45482...
    - slimebot80 4y ago
      Agreed, SpaceX is successful. Disagree that this excludes an alternative where public funds were spent elsewhere with similar success. More or less success, who knows. Feel free to maintain your bias, but it's a fact that smart engineers can achieve success under more than just one single showman.