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Around me I think on average a single cheap donut costs about the same as a couple pounds of carrots.

by jolmg 4y ago

out-of-ideas 4y ago
lol i'd like you to eat 2 lbs of donuts one day for a single meal, wait a week, then eat 2 lbs of carrots for one meal .. and report back to here how you felt
- jolmg 4y ago
  I don't get the point of comparing the same quantities, nor of putting them in a single meal. It's an example. The price comparison holds for other forms of junkfood and veggies. And the other point is that 2lbs of carrots are going to last me more than a single donut, for the same price.
throwaway22032 4y ago
I agree wholeheartedly that cooking healthy food is less expensive than buying ready made crap. The like-for-like example is high quality takeaway food vs cheap takeaway food, or high quality snacks (e.g. a premade chicken sandwich) vs nonsense like donuts.
- jolmg 4y ago
  > The like-for-like example is [...] I mean, you did say > It's cheaper to eat nonfood though, particularly if you take preparation into account. So I took it as saying nonfood already comes prepared, while real food generally doesn't. IOW, comparing cooking healthy vs buying ready-made crap. But ok, I guess you're saying, ignoring the possibility of cooking oneself, healthy food is more expensive than junkfood. I agree with that. Kind of feels weird to act like people can't cook or prepare their own food from cheap ingredients, but I guess homeless people, for example, can't really.
  - throwaway22032 4y ago
    My argument is basically that ready to eat nonfood is cheaper than ready to eat food. I mean, you can eat just apples, uncooked carrots, etc, but realistically that's not a diet. Healthy frozen meals exist here in the UK. They're just way more expensive than the crap. Protein is more expensive than carbs is basically the entire thing.
    - jolmg 4y ago
      > I buy ready made food all of the time, I just try to go for high protein options and limit bullshit. It's a lot more expensive. But you do it because you can afford it. People that find it expensive would first cook for their meals rather than eat junkfood for meals. Do you think they wouldn't cook because it takes time? When you're low on income, money is more valuable than time. Cooking saves money over junkfood. > Protein is more expensive than carbs is basically the entire thing. There's cheap sources of protein, too, like beans. Not sure how it fits with the rest of the argument though. Are you talking about people getting their protein mainly from chocolate protein bars or something like that?
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      - throwaway22032 4y ago
        I am talking exclusively about ready to eat food. There are many reasons for a person to struggle to be able to cook. I agree that in most cases these are solvable. Usually via money, which brings us back to... money helps. A direct example I can give is that I have many friends who live in shared accommodation with shitty kitchens because they're shared amongst 4 people or more and inevitably someone is a cretin. In that case invariably people end up "cooking" stuff like pizzas in order to minimize time in the shitty environment.
        jolmg 4y ago
        > A direct example I can give is that I have many friends who live in shared accommodation with shitty kitchens because they're shared amongst 4 people or more and inevitably someone is a cretin. Ok, that makes more sense. I guess housing is so bad that not even shitty apartments that people can rent individually are available? I'm not familiar with such arrangements, so I'm not sure how bad it can get. I guess it's an issue with the dishes, a permanently filled sink? Why not just use disposable dishes and have very few shared cookware so it's not possible to fill the space in the sink? If home is totally useless for cooking for whatever reason, one might be able to make a kitchen portable enough to fit in a backpack by getting a single-burner portable stove. If you get a gas one, you won't depend on an electrical outlet. For cookware, a small pan and a small wooden spatula takes you far. Eggs, canned food, etc. don't need refrigeration. If one avoids using too much oil/fat, one should be able to skip needing water to wash the cookware by wiping with a paper towel. This ought to be cheap enough even for students. Park in the daily commute? There's the kitchen. Just do breakfast, and snack on e.g. carrots for other times of the day. Who am I kidding. We're talking about people in general and not anyone in particular. That's quite awful...

Around me I think on average a single cheap donut costs about the same as a couple pounds of carrots.

by jolmg 4y ago

Around me I think on average a single cheap donut costs about the same as a couple pounds of carrots.

lol i'd like you to eat 2 lbs of donuts one day for a single meal, wait a week, then eat 2 lbs of carrots for one meal .. and report back to here how you felt

jolmg 4y ago
I don't get the point of comparing the same quantities, nor of putting them in a single meal. It's an example. The price comparison holds for other forms of junkfood and veggies. And the other point is that 2lbs of carrots are going to last me more than a single donut, for the same price.

throwaway22032 4y ago

I agree wholeheartedly that cooking healthy food is less expensive than buying ready made crap. The like-for-like example is high quality takeaway food vs cheap takeaway food, or high quality snacks (e.g. a premade chicken sandwich) vs nonsense like donuts.

jolmg 4y ago
> The like-for-like example is [...] I mean, you did say > It's cheaper to eat nonfood though, particularly if you take preparation into account. So I took it as saying nonfood already comes prepared, while real food generally doesn't. IOW, comparing cooking healthy vs buying ready-made crap. But ok, I guess you're saying, ignoring the possibility of cooking oneself, healthy food is more expensive than junkfood. I agree with that. Kind of feels weird to act like people can't cook or prepare their own food from cheap ingredients, but I guess homeless people, for example, can't really.
- throwaway22032 4y ago
  My argument is basically that ready to eat nonfood is cheaper than ready to eat food. I mean, you can eat just apples, uncooked carrots, etc, but realistically that's not a diet. Healthy frozen meals exist here in the UK. They're just way more expensive than the crap. Protein is more expensive than carbs is basically the entire thing.
  - jolmg 4y ago
    > I buy ready made food all of the time, I just try to go for high protein options and limit bullshit. It's a lot more expensive. But you do it because you can afford it. People that find it expensive would first cook for their meals rather than eat junkfood for meals. Do you think they wouldn't cook because it takes time? When you're low on income, money is more valuable than time. Cooking saves money over junkfood. > Protein is more expensive than carbs is basically the entire thing. There's cheap sources of protein, too, like beans. Not sure how it fits with the rest of the argument though. Are you talking about people getting their protein mainly from chocolate protein bars or something like that?
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    - throwaway22032 4y ago
      I am talking exclusively about ready to eat food. There are many reasons for a person to struggle to be able to cook. I agree that in most cases these are solvable. Usually via money, which brings us back to... money helps. A direct example I can give is that I have many friends who live in shared accommodation with shitty kitchens because they're shared amongst 4 people or more and inevitably someone is a cretin. In that case invariably people end up "cooking" stuff like pizzas in order to minimize time in the shitty environment.
      - jolmg 4y ago
        > A direct example I can give is that I have many friends who live in shared accommodation with shitty kitchens because they're shared amongst 4 people or more and inevitably someone is a cretin. Ok, that makes more sense. I guess housing is so bad that not even shitty apartments that people can rent individually are available? I'm not familiar with such arrangements, so I'm not sure how bad it can get. I guess it's an issue with the dishes, a permanently filled sink? Why not just use disposable dishes and have very few shared cookware so it's not possible to fill the space in the sink? If home is totally useless for cooking for whatever reason, one might be able to make a kitchen portable enough to fit in a backpack by getting a single-burner portable stove. If you get a gas one, you won't depend on an electrical outlet. For cookware, a small pan and a small wooden spatula takes you far. Eggs, canned food, etc. don't need refrigeration. If one avoids using too much oil/fat, one should be able to skip needing water to wash the cookware by wiping with a paper towel. This ought to be cheap enough even for students. Park in the daily commute? There's the kitchen. Just do breakfast, and snack on e.g. carrots for other times of the day. Who am I kidding. We're talking about people in general and not anyone in particular. That's quite awful...