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> No sir, you are. You're absolutely fine with rampant sexual misconduct in our schools and pretend none of your politically inconvenient crimes have occurred w

by mftrhu 4y ago

> No sir, you are. You're absolutely fine with rampant sexual misconduct in our schools and pretend none of your politically inconvenient crimes have occurred while "the other guys" are evil for demanding their children be in a safe learning environment. "You are absolutely fine with rampant sexual misconduct"? That's a pretty harsh thing to accuse someone of, especially in the context of a discussion of people writing to schools they are not related to to complain about LGBT+ topics being discussed. Going from that to rampant sexual misconduct, also, feels like a bit of a leap.

nadieyninguno1 4y ago
- dang 4y ago
  We've banned this account for breaking the site guidelines. Please don't create accounts to do that with. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.
  - nadieyninguno2 4y ago
    And yet you don’t touch ‘greedo for the same conduct? You’re a pathetic bug-man.
    - dang 4y ago
      Which comment(s) are you referring to? If you see a post that ought to have been moderated but hasn't been, the likeliest explanation is that we didn't see it. You can help by flagging it or emailing us at hn@ycombinator.com. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&query=likeliest%20explanation%20by%3Adang&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu...
      - anigbrowl 4y ago
        idk Dan, maybe playing nice with the person you banned hours earlier who came back to throw racial insults at you isn't gonna lead to a redemption arc.
        dang 4y ago
        That's not the issue. I get insulted all the time and after a while it doesn't count for much.
        anigbrowl 4y ago
        I should have been clearer; being nice to an obvious troll that you banned just a short while earlier is likely to invite more trolling rather than less, which negatively impacts everyone else. It's great that you're not taking it personally, but it doesn't seem good for HN. I may have pointed it out before, but there is data demonstrating that your approach works poorly compared to alternatives: https://dl.acm.org/doi/pdf/10.1145/3178876.3186141 https://dl.acm.org/doi/pdf/10.1145/3178876.3186141
        dang 4y ago
        Ah I see. Yes, that's a risk, but I don't see it playing out in practice and I have to prioritize direct experience with HN. The thing that matters here is not to be nice to trolls or even to convince them of anything (though that's a nice, if rare, side effect), but rather to answer criticisms in a way that the bulk of the community finds reasonable and fair. This is one of the biggest things we can do to bolster the health of the body politic or commons (or pick whatever term is good) here. It pays off hugely in good will and good faith. If the median HN reader sees me going out of my way to be neutral and answering criticism reasonably, that's a win. It's even more of a win when the criticism was rudely delivered. In my experience, it's important to be nice (or at least neutral) when doing that, because otherwise the signals get crossed—am I providing accurate information or venting frustration? The hivemind definitely doesn't like it when the moderator does the latter, so I try to avoid it to the extent possible (and I suck at it a lot of the time.) I need to read that paper. Thanks for the link.

by mftrhu 4y ago

nadieyninguno1 4y ago

dang 4y ago
We've banned this account for breaking the site guidelines. Please don't create accounts to do that with. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.
- nadieyninguno2 4y ago
  And yet you don’t touch ‘greedo for the same conduct? You’re a pathetic bug-man.
  - dang 4y ago
    Which comment(s) are you referring to? If you see a post that ought to have been moderated but hasn't been, the likeliest explanation is that we didn't see it. You can help by flagging it or emailing us at hn@ycombinator.com. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&query=likeliest%20explanation%20by%3Adang&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu...
    - anigbrowl 4y ago
      idk Dan, maybe playing nice with the person you banned hours earlier who came back to throw racial insults at you isn't gonna lead to a redemption arc.
      - dang 4y ago
        That's not the issue. I get insulted all the time and after a while it doesn't count for much.
        anigbrowl 4y ago
        I should have been clearer; being nice to an obvious troll that you banned just a short while earlier is likely to invite more trolling rather than less, which negatively impacts everyone else. It's great that you're not taking it personally, but it doesn't seem good for HN. I may have pointed it out before, but there is data demonstrating that your approach works poorly compared to alternatives: https://dl.acm.org/doi/pdf/10.1145/3178876.3186141 https://dl.acm.org/doi/pdf/10.1145/3178876.3186141
        dang 4y ago
        Ah I see. Yes, that's a risk, but I don't see it playing out in practice and I have to prioritize direct experience with HN. The thing that matters here is not to be nice to trolls or even to convince them of anything (though that's a nice, if rare, side effect), but rather to answer criticisms in a way that the bulk of the community finds reasonable and fair. This is one of the biggest things we can do to bolster the health of the body politic or commons (or pick whatever term is good) here. It pays off hugely in good will and good faith. If the median HN reader sees me going out of my way to be neutral and answering criticism reasonably, that's a win. It's even more of a win when the criticism was rudely delivered. In my experience, it's important to be nice (or at least neutral) when doing that, because otherwise the signals get crossed—am I providing accurate information or venting frustration? The hivemind definitely doesn't like it when the moderator does the latter, so I try to avoid it to the extent possible (and I suck at it a lot of the time.) I need to read that paper. Thanks for the link.