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If you change your name, you need to update your information with social security and with the state department. That's how the two IDs can get out of sync. E.g

If you change your name, you need to update your information with social security and with the state department. That's how the two IDs can get out of sync. E.g. if someone was like "please bring your social security card and passport for verification" you could potentially have a name mis-match if you only updated your passport but didn't update your social security.

ghaff 4y ago
I haven't had an actual social security card for many decades since having a wallet stolen. And never needed it.
- Godel_unicode 4y ago
  The fact that you do not physically possess your social security card does not mean that the federal government did not issue you one. So you Have it, you simply don’t have it on you. You haven’t needed it since it’s such a bad ID that if you know the number you often don’t need to possess the paper.
  - ghaff 4y ago
    I've never been asked to present the paper over multiple decades and have never bothered to try to get a replacement.
    - Godel_unicode 4y ago
      This is like saying I drive without taking my drivers license with me.
      - ghaff 4y ago
        No. I'm not sure what the circumstances would be where I would have to present an actual social security card. Certainly never encountered one. Whereas it's easy to imagine circumstances where not having a driver's license on me could cause issues--even if it might technically not be required.
        Godel_unicode 4y ago
        You don’t need it because it’s so weak that people will accept that knowing the number is the same as having it.
        senkora 4y ago
        I used to use mine (plus my driver’s license) as my I-9 employment verification documents. Driver’s license for identity, SSN card for right to work. You can also use a birth certificate to establish right to work, so yeah it wouldn’t be required. Of course now I just use my passport, but like many Americans I didn’t have one for many years.
        ghaff 4y ago
        Fair enough. Not sure why I even carried my SSN card at that point. I've had a passport since I was around two years old.
bmitc 4y ago
What scenario do you need to present both a passport and social security card? Those “three column” identification documents that I have seen always accept passports standalone.
- ghaff 4y ago
  For renewing a driver's license to a RealID-compliant driver's license I did need more than a passport. But I think that was more of a state thing that required a utility bill to my address and maybe something else.
  - bmitc 4y ago
    Ah, the ol' utility bill stuff. Lol. Such a pain at times, but I guess I understand for some things where people definitely try to skirt the system where they don't live where they say. I have neglected to get my state's real ID since it requires me to go into a location, which are soul sucking. Luckily, my global entry card is a Real ID. It only took two years to get that one. And when I had to go in for that ID, they didn't even check my driver's license or passport for ID. They just took my picture and that was it. Pretty poor due diligence.
    - Godel_unicode 4y ago
      Wait until you find out about the photo matching they do to true up license and Global Entry identity. Why have a human (who can be social engineered) do that in person when an algorithm can do it behind the scenes?
      - bmitc 4y ago
        Well, I'm not disappointed that they actually did something. If it wasn't clear, I thought not checking was poor procedure, and I guess it makes sense it they have automated procedures. Still doesn't seem right to not have a human validate when it takes no extra time to do so.
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ghaff 4y ago

I haven't had an actual social security card for many decades since having a wallet stolen. And never needed it.

Godel_unicode 4y ago
The fact that you do not physically possess your social security card does not mean that the federal government did not issue you one. So you Have it, you simply don’t have it on you. You haven’t needed it since it’s such a bad ID that if you know the number you often don’t need to possess the paper.
- ghaff 4y ago
  I've never been asked to present the paper over multiple decades and have never bothered to try to get a replacement.
  - Godel_unicode 4y ago
    This is like saying I drive without taking my drivers license with me.
    - ghaff 4y ago
      No. I'm not sure what the circumstances would be where I would have to present an actual social security card. Certainly never encountered one. Whereas it's easy to imagine circumstances where not having a driver's license on me could cause issues--even if it might technically not be required.
      - Godel_unicode 4y ago
        You don’t need it because it’s so weak that people will accept that knowing the number is the same as having it.
      - senkora 4y ago
        I used to use mine (plus my driver’s license) as my I-9 employment verification documents. Driver’s license for identity, SSN card for right to work. You can also use a birth certificate to establish right to work, so yeah it wouldn’t be required. Of course now I just use my passport, but like many Americans I didn’t have one for many years.
        ghaff 4y ago
        Fair enough. Not sure why I even carried my SSN card at that point. I've had a passport since I was around two years old.

bmitc 4y ago

What scenario do you need to present both a passport and social security card? Those “three column” identification documents that I have seen always accept passports standalone.

ghaff 4y ago
For renewing a driver's license to a RealID-compliant driver's license I did need more than a passport. But I think that was more of a state thing that required a utility bill to my address and maybe something else.
- bmitc 4y ago
  Ah, the ol' utility bill stuff. Lol. Such a pain at times, but I guess I understand for some things where people definitely try to skirt the system where they don't live where they say. I have neglected to get my state's real ID since it requires me to go into a location, which are soul sucking. Luckily, my global entry card is a Real ID. It only took two years to get that one. And when I had to go in for that ID, they didn't even check my driver's license or passport for ID. They just took my picture and that was it. Pretty poor due diligence.
  - Godel_unicode 4y ago
    Wait until you find out about the photo matching they do to true up license and Global Entry identity. Why have a human (who can be social engineered) do that in person when an algorithm can do it behind the scenes?
    - bmitc 4y ago
      Well, I'm not disappointed that they actually did something. If it wasn't clear, I thought not checking was poor procedure, and I guess it makes sense it they have automated procedures. Still doesn't seem right to not have a human validate when it takes no extra time to do so.
      - deleted 4y ago