> I think living in a flat is great if that's your thing, it's definitely cheaper to heat! Nothing else is a realistic option 'round here unless I want to live

> I think living in a flat is great if that's your thing, it's definitely cheaper to heat! Nothing else is a realistic option 'round here unless I want to live in a village (which doesn't necessarily mean far away, maybe 20 minute ride by car to the city, but there isn't much there and your first neighbour might well keep animals). Barely anyone I know lives in a house. > it's definitely cheaper to heat! There is nothing cheap about heating heating here, lol. Fortunately, it's not that cold most of the year. But no one heats their homes properly, so you are still leaking heat in all directions even in an apartment. > But the argument always seems to be this sort of dogmatic "do this if unless you're a shithead who hates the planet" and I just don't think that it's true for everyone, or a healthy approach to enjoying what limited time we have alive. I don't pretend to do it "for the planet" (and would gladly live in a house), but that's a valid argument, if a little hyperbolic. I don't think it makes anyone a bad person but that doesn't lessen negative effects. Especially the effect of housing scarcity - you've basically taken entire column of Earth for yourself in a (presumably) desirable location, where that same column could have housed 20x people if it was a highrise. Failure of civilisation here is not having sound-proof apartments. If I could play drums or blast karaoke at full volume in mine at 3 in the morning I couldn't care less that it was not a house.