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Obviously there's no shortage of ugly history in Europe, but Europe doesn't have this particular historical context. I would expect Europeans to be naive about
by asveikau 4y ago
Obviously there's no shortage of ugly history in Europe, but Europe doesn't have this particular historical context. I would expect Europeans to be naive about this. I've had this discussion before.
> You don’t think black people can get ids?
Statistically, they are less likely to do so.
Edit: For me, an eye opening tidbit was this admission by a Republican strategist that the late 20th century discourse was about shifting from overt language about racism to more covert, abstract, economic talking points that are still rooted in racism. This is a left wing source but has the actual audio recording of that admission. https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/exclusive-lee-atwaters-infamous-1981-interview-southern-strategy/ https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/exclusive-lee-atwa... -- the takeaway is that you can't take a surface level read on a proposal and trust that no direct mention of race implies that it is not racist.
I think what Atwater predicted in this clip somewhat came true. Enough time has passed that young people have unironically embraced the dog whistles as idealized abstractions about small government and economics, states rights or federalism, without realizing they used to be dog whistles and not genuinely held when popularized.
- thewrongthinker 4y ago> Statistically, they are less likely to do so. Holy shit mate, do you hear your self? This is literally 13/52 talk. Black people can get ids, they should get ids, just like everyone does in every other civilised country. I honestly can’t understand how anyone can oppose such a simple and natural thing.
- asveikau 4y agohttps://www.aclu.org/fact-sheet/oppose-voter-id-legislation-fact-sheet https://www.aclu.org/fact-sheet/oppose-voter-id-legislation-... > Minority voters disproportionately lack ID. Nationally, up to 25% of African- American citizens of voting age lack government-issued photo ID, compared to only 8% of whites. I did not make up the statistic. I do not endorse it or wish it to continue, but numerically, that is what it is. This is probably the largest reason one side of the American political spectrum, the one who would benefit from lower racial minority turnout, supports tightening the laws. In tight elections like we routinely have, that statistical disparity can be enough to alter electoral outcomes.
- throwawayacc3 4y agoACLU is no longer an unbiased source and regularly peddles regime propaganda. "Studies of the effects of voter ID laws on turnout in the United States have generally found that such laws have little, if any, effect on turnout." [0] "A 2014 study from the University of Iowa found no evidence that strict voter ID laws reduce minority turnout.[127] A 2012 study found that, although the Georgia voter ID laws lowered overall turnout by 0.4%, there was no racial or ethnic component to the suppression effect." [0] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_identification_laws_in_the_United_States#Turnout https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_identification_laws_in_t...
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- asveikau 4y agoSorry, I tried a few drafts and I'm not sure how to say this. I am blown away by your reference to "the regime". It destroys your credibility immediately. It marks you as a very paranoid person. I don't agree with everything ACLU says or does either. I don't start accusing them of conspiracy theories. I feel like pockets of HN are much more pro right wing conspiracy theory vs. just one year ago. Anyway, the Wikipedia article you link to also has my argument represented, too ... Maybe read more of it.
- phpisthebest 4y ago>conspiracy theory It ceases to be "conspiracy theory" when it the "theory" is supported by facts.
- asveikau 4y agoIf someone says ACLU is "propaganda for the Biden regime" I would say that person is pretty conspiracy theorist adjacent and not expressing themselves like someone in touch with reality.