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Notice how you have just moved the goal posts! Since you did that I am going to assume that you now take back your silly arguments about the impossibility of o

by stale2002 4y ago

Notice how you have just moved the goal posts! Since you did that I am going to assume that you now take back your silly arguments about the impossibility of only punishing people who are super obviously engaging in unsportsmanlike conduct. I am glad that I am able to convince you so easily, that actually yes it is possible to punish super obvious cases without also punishing people who are dying of a debilitating disease and much engage in an emergency withdrawal! That was a pretty funny argument you were making though! It's really entertaining that you were actually trying to claim that it is impossible to find obvious cases without punishing uhh, sick people?

constantcrying 4y ago
>Notice how you have just moved the goal posts! Nope. >Since you did that I am going to assume that you now take back your silly arguments about the impossibility of only punishing people who are super obviously engaging in unsportsmanlike conduct. My argument has always been that Magnus did not act unsportsmanlike. Obviously obvious offenses can and should be punished. >am glad that I am able to convince you so easily, that actually yes it is possible to punish super obvious cases without also punishing people who are dying of a debilitating disease and much engage in an emergency withdrawal! Good that I never made such an argument. I was just objecting to the rule as you had written it. I obviously agree that obvious misconduct can and should be punished, but not because there is some hyper specific rule you proposed. >It's really entertaining that you were actually trying to claim that it is impossible to find obvious cases without punishing uhh, sick people? I was refering to what you said the rule should be. Basically any sport has a general rule against bad behaviour. FIDE surely has one already, which could be applied, had any significant misconduct actually happened. What is funny on the other hand is that you have moved the goal post from a specific action of Magnus to a nonsensical debate where you pretend I believe a rule almost any sports association has is impossible, when I was refering to your very bad proposal for a stupid additional rule.
- stale2002 4y ago
  > I obviously agree that obvious misconduct can and should be punished but not because there is some hyper specific rule So you agree with me completely and we're just arguing against a made up argument, regarding a "hyper specific rule" that I.never made. I clarified multiple times on this, and you continued to pretend like it is impossible to punish unsportsmanlike conduct without punishing sick people. So great! Yes you agree with me that unsportsmanlike conduct that is obviously unsportsmanlike conduct, can be punished, and we don't have to worry about absurd hypotheticals of punishing sick people. > was refering to what you said the rule should be Actually, it was you who brought up this idea of it being impossible to punish unsportsmanlike conduct without punishing sick people. It was you who made that argument, not me.
  - constantcrying 4y ago
    Maybe you haven't noticed, but I was talking about the incident between Carlsen and Niemann.
    - stale2002 4y ago
      > but I was talking about the incident between Carlsen and Niemann Indeed, and it seems pretty silly that you would claim that it is impossible to punish someone who resigned on move 1, in the way that he did, without punishing people who are deathly ill! Surely you should understand how it is pretty easy to tell the difference between these two situations. The fact that this was the context, is the exact reason why it is so silly to imply that punishing this behavior would also require punishing people who are very sick, and cannot play because of that.
      - constantcrying 4y ago
        You missed my point entirely. Any rule which would punish Carlsen would also inevitably punish the innocent, since Carlsen already did nothing wrong.
        stale2002 4y ago

constantcrying 4y ago

>Notice how you have just moved the goal posts! Nope. >Since you did that I am going to assume that you now take back your silly arguments about the impossibility of only punishing people who are super obviously engaging in unsportsmanlike conduct. My argument has always been that Magnus did not act unsportsmanlike. Obviously obvious offenses can and should be punished. >am glad that I am able to convince you so easily, that actually yes it is possible to punish super obvious cases without also punishing people who are dying of a debilitating disease and much engage in an emergency withdrawal! Good that I never made such an argument. I was just objecting to the rule as you had written it. I obviously agree that obvious misconduct can and should be punished, but not because there is some hyper specific rule you proposed. >It's really entertaining that you were actually trying to claim that it is impossible to find obvious cases without punishing uhh, sick people? I was refering to what you said the rule should be. Basically any sport has a general rule against bad behaviour. FIDE surely has one already, which could be applied, had any significant misconduct actually happened. What is funny on the other hand is that you have moved the goal post from a specific action of Magnus to a nonsensical debate where you pretend I believe a rule almost any sports association has is impossible, when I was refering to your very bad proposal for a stupid additional rule.

stale2002 4y ago
> I obviously agree that obvious misconduct can and should be punished but not because there is some hyper specific rule So you agree with me completely and we're just arguing against a made up argument, regarding a "hyper specific rule" that I.never made. I clarified multiple times on this, and you continued to pretend like it is impossible to punish unsportsmanlike conduct without punishing sick people. So great! Yes you agree with me that unsportsmanlike conduct that is obviously unsportsmanlike conduct, can be punished, and we don't have to worry about absurd hypotheticals of punishing sick people. > was refering to what you said the rule should be Actually, it was you who brought up this idea of it being impossible to punish unsportsmanlike conduct without punishing sick people. It was you who made that argument, not me.
- constantcrying 4y ago
  Maybe you haven't noticed, but I was talking about the incident between Carlsen and Niemann.
  - stale2002 4y ago
    > but I was talking about the incident between Carlsen and Niemann Indeed, and it seems pretty silly that you would claim that it is impossible to punish someone who resigned on move 1, in the way that he did, without punishing people who are deathly ill! Surely you should understand how it is pretty easy to tell the difference between these two situations. The fact that this was the context, is the exact reason why it is so silly to imply that punishing this behavior would also require punishing people who are very sick, and cannot play because of that.
    - constantcrying 4y ago
      You missed my point entirely. Any rule which would punish Carlsen would also inevitably punish the innocent, since Carlsen already did nothing wrong.
      - stale2002 4y ago