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DHS still wants to have more secure and validated IDs but states aren't issuing them as default so a lot of people take the easier licensing/ID option when they

by rtkwe 4y ago

DHS still wants to have more secure and validated IDs but states aren't issuing them as default so a lot of people take the easier licensing/ID option when they renew. My state, NC, doesn't issue them as default or even really push them at all. So the problem at the federal level is you have states and people not getting the IDs so making the transition to requiring REAL ID for flights etc would be potentially very disruptive.

mynameisvlad 4y ago
I mean, I get that DHS still wants it, but... Why? It might have made sense in 2005 with the post-2001 political climate, but it's 20 years later. We've been fine with the current IDs for so long, and the climate is not anywhere near the same now as it was then with relation to security theater.
- rtkwe 4y ago
  Well at this point AFAIK it's a legal requirement that they do it. To fully cancel it would require action by congress to remove the program all together, I'm willing to bet (but not willing to find the language) that DHS can extend implementation but not cancel it.
  - rolph 4y ago
    apparently the only way to cancel it is to refuse to use it, en masse, its the low adoption rate by end user that keeps the deadline being kicked down the road
- yownie 4y ago
  control
  - spoils19 4y ago
    This is why I'm glad that we have the 2nd Amendment.
    - amanaplanacanal 4y ago
      I’m trying to imagine how this applies. Are you going to shoot anybody who asks you for Real ID?
      - Integrape 4y ago
        Keep it simple and just hijack the airplane.
        spoils19 4y ago
        While I wouldn't go that far, I definitely support Americans who wish to utilize their unique free speech and freedom for this cause. Example: https://i.imgur.com/C12Cw06.jpg https://i.imgur.com/C12Cw06.jpg (Ignore the reply tweet, it's an obvious Russian troll)
elashri 4y ago
Not only this, Things are very confusing for people. During checking at my last flight I asked the officer about if Ohio ID would be sufficient for the real ID requirement. She couldn't answer because she didn't know how they issue it these days. If this a TSA officer, what about ordinary people?
- ianferrel 4y ago
  I think this is one of those cases where you didn't ask the right question. The TSA officer of course doesn't know the ID issue policies of 50+ ID-issuing regions. If you had asked "How do I know if my ID meets the Real ID requirements", the answer is very simple: "It has an image of a star on the top of the ID".
  - elashri 4y ago
    >I think this is one of those cases where you didn't ask the right question. The TSA officer of course doesn't know the ID issue policies of 50+ ID-issuing regions. I thought that because it was a (main) Ohio airport, this will be an appropriate question but probably you are right. >If you had asked "How do I know if my ID meets the Real ID requirements", the answer is very simple: "It has an image of a star on the top of the ID". I was asking this question so that I can decide if it is worth getting one because I don't want to keep using my passport on domestic flights (risking it getting lost, and heache to have a replacement outside my home country).
  - mynameisvlad 4y ago
    > the answer is very simple: "It has an image of a star on the top of the ID". Or an American Flag somewhere on the ID (mine is randomly next to my photo), for the few states that only issue Real ID-compatible IDs in the form of EDL/EIDs. Looking at you, Washington. And the star can be: > gold or black star, a white star in a gold or black circle, a white star in a gold bear in the case of California, or a white star in a gold state map in the case of Maine. It's so absurdly complicated. As someone else said it'd be fantastic parody if it weren't real life.
    - 4y ago
mistrial9 4y ago
California has had problems with large scale ID counterfeiting, which they really, really do not want to talk about Second item is an analogy.. when cash for transit here was changing to an electronic ID, the BART transit agency found excuse after excuse to delay.. later, a finance officer said in a public forum "we have a cash flow and we control that" .. much later, things changed somewhat. I believe that Federal vs State govt is simply at odds over the endless self-employment of administering these ID programs, and who calls the shots... and they should be ! Fed growth is virtually a one-way ratchet in practice.
sylens 4y ago
This is it. States need to rip the band-aid off (or be forced to) so that people will be forced to get a Real ID at their next license renewal. Only then will this deadline pass without being extended
- Ancalagon 4y ago
  Great for some but you know arizona doesnt require I renew my license until the 2050's
  - lost_tourist 4y ago
    It's basically useless because anyone could have gotten a passport at any time during the time the realID nonsense was going on
- Rimintil 4y ago
  This isn’t as good of an idea as you may think. It is in the best interest of everyone to allow illegal aliens to be licensed and insured. Washington state also charges a premium for Real ID. For those who don’t fly or cross from Canada to the US, Real ID is just a waste of money. EDL in WA will be $115 for 5 years starting in 2024. A US Passport Book is $130 for 10 years (or a US Passport Card is $30 and good for domestic air travel and land/ground to CA and MX). Why would I bother with Real ID? I can’t even renew Real ID online or get it immediately after having my photo taken. While quicker than a Passport, it takes 2-3 weeks.
landemva 4y ago
> REAL ID for flights I have flown twice in the past few years without ID when I misplaced my wallet. TSA made me sign a form which basically said nothing useful. Children fly without ID. It's about control not about flight safety.
- saurik 4y ago
  The comment you are replying to didn't say anything about safety, merely disruption, and I'd wager having a ridiculously large number of people going through extra checks and having to sign forms would be super disruptive ;P.

by rtkwe 4y ago

mynameisvlad 4y ago

I mean, I get that DHS still wants it, but... Why? It might have made sense in 2005 with the post-2001 political climate, but it's 20 years later. We've been fine with the current IDs for so long, and the climate is not anywhere near the same now as it was then with relation to security theater.

rtkwe 4y ago
Well at this point AFAIK it's a legal requirement that they do it. To fully cancel it would require action by congress to remove the program all together, I'm willing to bet (but not willing to find the language) that DHS can extend implementation but not cancel it.
- rolph 4y ago
  apparently the only way to cancel it is to refuse to use it, en masse, its the low adoption rate by end user that keeps the deadline being kicked down the road
yownie 4y ago
control
- spoils19 4y ago
  This is why I'm glad that we have the 2nd Amendment.
  - amanaplanacanal 4y ago
    I’m trying to imagine how this applies. Are you going to shoot anybody who asks you for Real ID?
    - Integrape 4y ago
      Keep it simple and just hijack the airplane.
      - spoils19 4y ago
        While I wouldn't go that far, I definitely support Americans who wish to utilize their unique free speech and freedom for this cause. Example: https://i.imgur.com/C12Cw06.jpg https://i.imgur.com/C12Cw06.jpg (Ignore the reply tweet, it's an obvious Russian troll)

elashri 4y ago

Not only this, Things are very confusing for people. During checking at my last flight I asked the officer about if Ohio ID would be sufficient for the real ID requirement. She couldn't answer because she didn't know how they issue it these days. If this a TSA officer, what about ordinary people?

ianferrel 4y ago
I think this is one of those cases where you didn't ask the right question. The TSA officer of course doesn't know the ID issue policies of 50+ ID-issuing regions. If you had asked "How do I know if my ID meets the Real ID requirements", the answer is very simple: "It has an image of a star on the top of the ID".
- elashri 4y ago
  >I think this is one of those cases where you didn't ask the right question. The TSA officer of course doesn't know the ID issue policies of 50+ ID-issuing regions. I thought that because it was a (main) Ohio airport, this will be an appropriate question but probably you are right. >If you had asked "How do I know if my ID meets the Real ID requirements", the answer is very simple: "It has an image of a star on the top of the ID". I was asking this question so that I can decide if it is worth getting one because I don't want to keep using my passport on domestic flights (risking it getting lost, and heache to have a replacement outside my home country).
- mynameisvlad 4y ago
  > the answer is very simple: "It has an image of a star on the top of the ID". Or an American Flag somewhere on the ID (mine is randomly next to my photo), for the few states that only issue Real ID-compatible IDs in the form of EDL/EIDs. Looking at you, Washington. And the star can be: > gold or black star, a white star in a gold or black circle, a white star in a gold bear in the case of California, or a white star in a gold state map in the case of Maine. It's so absurdly complicated. As someone else said it'd be fantastic parody if it weren't real life.
  - 4y ago

mistrial9 4y ago

California has had problems with large scale ID counterfeiting, which they really, really do not want to talk about Second item is an analogy.. when cash for transit here was changing to an electronic ID, the BART transit agency found excuse after excuse to delay.. later, a finance officer said in a public forum "we have a cash flow and we control that" .. much later, things changed somewhat. I believe that Federal vs State govt is simply at odds over the endless self-employment of administering these ID programs, and who calls the shots... and they should be ! Fed growth is virtually a one-way ratchet in practice.

sylens 4y ago

This is it. States need to rip the band-aid off (or be forced to) so that people will be forced to get a Real ID at their next license renewal. Only then will this deadline pass without being extended

Ancalagon 4y ago
Great for some but you know arizona doesnt require I renew my license until the 2050's
- lost_tourist 4y ago
  It's basically useless because anyone could have gotten a passport at any time during the time the realID nonsense was going on
Rimintil 4y ago
This isn’t as good of an idea as you may think. It is in the best interest of everyone to allow illegal aliens to be licensed and insured. Washington state also charges a premium for Real ID. For those who don’t fly or cross from Canada to the US, Real ID is just a waste of money. EDL in WA will be $115 for 5 years starting in 2024. A US Passport Book is $130 for 10 years (or a US Passport Card is $30 and good for domestic air travel and land/ground to CA and MX). Why would I bother with Real ID? I can’t even renew Real ID online or get it immediately after having my photo taken. While quicker than a Passport, it takes 2-3 weeks.

landemva 4y ago

> REAL ID for flights I have flown twice in the past few years without ID when I misplaced my wallet. TSA made me sign a form which basically said nothing useful. Children fly without ID. It's about control not about flight safety.

saurik 4y ago
The comment you are replying to didn't say anything about safety, merely disruption, and I'd wager having a ridiculously large number of people going through extra checks and having to sign forms would be super disruptive ;P.