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You don't see a slippery slope with facial recognition technology being used by the federal government? Idk - cross referencing your face in public places, bein

You don't see a slippery slope with facial recognition technology being used by the federal government? Idk - cross referencing your face in public places, being blamed for a crime you didn't commit. I don't' look like my drivers license photo. It's pretty old - I keep renewing it. Look at how Ring has partnered with police departments. I have no issues with people opting into this, see https://www.clearme.com/ https://www.clearme.com/

scarface74 4y ago
They already use license plate recognition when you are driving and there is a clear doctrine of no expectation of privacy in public places. They already have everything they need to do mass surveillance using photo recognition and your photo to do it with if you have a driver’s license and passport. It’s perfectly legal to do so. They can track you via your cellphone using m records that they already get from the carriers. You’ve given up your privacy with the TSA the minute you walked into an airport.
- marssaxman 4y ago
  You keep making this same kind of argument throughout this thread, and I don't understand what you think you are accomplishing. You seem to think that just because some invasive tracking already exists, people should freely accept further expansions of invasive tracking. Why should that be the case? You should feel free to accept whatever comes along, if that's what works for you; but some of us clearly believe that while some is bad, more is even worse, and it is therefore worthwhile to resist.
  - scarface74 4y ago
    There is no further tracking. The TSA is already tracking you every time you get on a plane. The government already has the technology, your photo and legally can use the photo they already have of you to use facial recognition. There are already traffic cams that scan your license plate and are used to track you every time you drive. There is no expansion You accomplish nothing by not giving the government your photo again that they already have from both your driver’s license and passport. They can track you when you drive, when you fly, by your cell phone.
    - marssaxman 4y ago
      I think I understand. I had thought you were arguing something like, "you are already dealing with this old problem, so you should accept this new problem instead of fighting it" - but it sounds like maybe what you mean is more like "I see no difference between these two problems, so I don't understand why you are objecting to one more than the other" - is that right? I would say, of course there is an expansion, or they would not bother to pay for the new technology. Think of Jevons' paradox: if the TSA can use some new technology to scan people more efficiently, it doesn't really matter what they say their intentions are; they will, inevitably, use that technology to scan more people, in more places, more of the time. That is the expansion; let's stop it before it starts, eh?
      - scarface74 4y ago
        I go through TSA now at places they don’t have facial recognition: they take my government issued ID with a picture and compare it to another picture they have on file. I have to hand them my ID and scan my boarding pass. In the places they have facial recognition, I stand in front of a camera and I don’t have to fumble with my ID or my phone with a boarding pass. Even if you don’t have TSA PreCheck, you still have to give your government issued ID with your picture to the TSA Agent and even before then if you have checked luggage, to the person checking your luggage. Your picture is in the system in so many places now. > if the TSA can use some new technology to scan people more efficiently, it doesn't really matter what they say their intentions are; they will, inevitably, use that technology to scan more people, in more places, more of the time. That is the expansion; let's stop it before it starts, eh? Where is the TSA going to scan people outside of the airport? The facial recognition technology they use required you to be right in front of a camera. The government agencies that you need to worry about - FBI, Homeland security, the local police already have much better surveillance/facial recognition technology and access to a much larger database of everyone’s picture.

scarface74 4y ago

They already use license plate recognition when you are driving and there is a clear doctrine of no expectation of privacy in public places. They already have everything they need to do mass surveillance using photo recognition and your photo to do it with if you have a driver’s license and passport. It’s perfectly legal to do so. They can track you via your cellphone using m records that they already get from the carriers. You’ve given up your privacy with the TSA the minute you walked into an airport.

marssaxman 4y ago
You keep making this same kind of argument throughout this thread, and I don't understand what you think you are accomplishing. You seem to think that just because some invasive tracking already exists, people should freely accept further expansions of invasive tracking. Why should that be the case? You should feel free to accept whatever comes along, if that's what works for you; but some of us clearly believe that while some is bad, more is even worse, and it is therefore worthwhile to resist.
- scarface74 4y ago
  There is no further tracking. The TSA is already tracking you every time you get on a plane. The government already has the technology, your photo and legally can use the photo they already have of you to use facial recognition. There are already traffic cams that scan your license plate and are used to track you every time you drive. There is no expansion You accomplish nothing by not giving the government your photo again that they already have from both your driver’s license and passport. They can track you when you drive, when you fly, by your cell phone.
  - marssaxman 4y ago
    I think I understand. I had thought you were arguing something like, "you are already dealing with this old problem, so you should accept this new problem instead of fighting it" - but it sounds like maybe what you mean is more like "I see no difference between these two problems, so I don't understand why you are objecting to one more than the other" - is that right? I would say, of course there is an expansion, or they would not bother to pay for the new technology. Think of Jevons' paradox: if the TSA can use some new technology to scan people more efficiently, it doesn't really matter what they say their intentions are; they will, inevitably, use that technology to scan more people, in more places, more of the time. That is the expansion; let's stop it before it starts, eh?
    - scarface74 4y ago
      I go through TSA now at places they don’t have facial recognition: they take my government issued ID with a picture and compare it to another picture they have on file. I have to hand them my ID and scan my boarding pass. In the places they have facial recognition, I stand in front of a camera and I don’t have to fumble with my ID or my phone with a boarding pass. Even if you don’t have TSA PreCheck, you still have to give your government issued ID with your picture to the TSA Agent and even before then if you have checked luggage, to the person checking your luggage. Your picture is in the system in so many places now. > if the TSA can use some new technology to scan people more efficiently, it doesn't really matter what they say their intentions are; they will, inevitably, use that technology to scan more people, in more places, more of the time. That is the expansion; let's stop it before it starts, eh? Where is the TSA going to scan people outside of the airport? The facial recognition technology they use required you to be right in front of a camera. The government agencies that you need to worry about - FBI, Homeland security, the local police already have much better surveillance/facial recognition technology and access to a much larger database of everyone’s picture.