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> you not think a professional chess player has the right to withdraw from a series He may have a legal right to do that. But if someone does that, then the i

by stale2002 4y ago

> you not think a professional chess player has the right to withdraw from a series He may have a legal right to do that. But if someone does that, then the international chess federation should sanction that player for unsportsmanlike conduct, and bad the withdrawer from future tournaments.

constantcrying 4y ago
Absurd rule. Imagine feeling sick and having to play 8 hours of bad chess, because the alternative is a potential career end. Withdrawing already has a significant punishment. You lost. I also fail to see how it is unsportsmanlike by itself. All else aside, why shouldn't you be allowed to withdraw from a game?
- stale2002 4y ago
  > Imagine feeling sick No, obviously people who are sick should not be punished for withdrawing. Instead, I am saying that if someone engages in unsportsmanlike conduct, where you withdraw specifically in relation to, and in a way that damages your opponent, then that should be punished. > how it is unsportsmanlike by itself Well if you think for one second, you'd realize that I obviously was not trying to imply that sick people should be punished.
  - constantcrying 4y ago
    >No, obviously people who are sick should not be punished for withdrawing. Then the rule is just pointless. Can anyone prove that you are not sick? >where you withdraw specifically in relation to, and in a way that damages your opponent, then that should be punished. Why should you be forced to play against a known cheater whom you suspect of having cheated against you? You already get your punishment for withdrawing. Why should there be a rule that forces you to play against an opponent that makes you uncomfortable. What if your opponent were insulting you, withdrawing certainly would damage his reputation. Should you be forced there for 8 hours having him demean you, because doing anything else might damage his reputation? What if he is "just" trolling you while you try to think? Not okay to withdraw? My point is where do you draw the line? Damaging your opponent certainly is not an acceptable standard.
    - stale2002 4y ago
      > Then the rule is just pointless. Can anyone prove that you are not sick No, but if someone goes into a tournament, resigns on move one, and then goes to Twitter with a tweet saying "if I speak....big trouble" then in that situation they can be punished. Is it hypothetically possible that someone might be able to secretly pretend like they are sick? Sure. But the point of rules like this is to prevent the highly obvious and damaging examples of unsportsmanlike conduct. If someone is secretly resigning games in an unsportsmanlike manner, but nobody notices, then there isn't much actually damaging about those actions. > should there be a rule that forces you to play No, instead unsportsmanlike conduct should be punished. Such as resigning on turn one, and then going to Twitter about it with a vague accusation. > My point is where do you draw the line? Well what you do is you punish the really obvious stuff. And if it is done super secretly, then it isn't that damaging anyway, and we don't have to worry about it.
      - constantcrying 4y ago
        Supposing minutes after Carlsen resigned it came out that Niemann had carried with him a device obviously designed to cheat, would Magnus's behaviour been justified then?
        stale2002 4y ago
        Notice how you have just moved the goal posts! Since you did that I am going to assume that you now take back your silly arguments about the impossibility of only punishing people who are super obviously engaging in unsportsmanlike conduct. I am glad that I am able to convince you so easily, that actually yes it is possible to punish super obvious cases without also punishing people who are dying of a debilitating disease and much engage in an emergency withdrawal! That was a pretty funny argument you were making though! It's really entertaining that you were actually trying to claim that it is impossible to find obvious cases without punishing uhh, sick people?
        constantcrying 4y ago

constantcrying 4y ago

Absurd rule. Imagine feeling sick and having to play 8 hours of bad chess, because the alternative is a potential career end. Withdrawing already has a significant punishment. You lost. I also fail to see how it is unsportsmanlike by itself. All else aside, why shouldn't you be allowed to withdraw from a game?

stale2002 4y ago
> Imagine feeling sick No, obviously people who are sick should not be punished for withdrawing. Instead, I am saying that if someone engages in unsportsmanlike conduct, where you withdraw specifically in relation to, and in a way that damages your opponent, then that should be punished. > how it is unsportsmanlike by itself Well if you think for one second, you'd realize that I obviously was not trying to imply that sick people should be punished.
- constantcrying 4y ago
  >No, obviously people who are sick should not be punished for withdrawing. Then the rule is just pointless. Can anyone prove that you are not sick? >where you withdraw specifically in relation to, and in a way that damages your opponent, then that should be punished. Why should you be forced to play against a known cheater whom you suspect of having cheated against you? You already get your punishment for withdrawing. Why should there be a rule that forces you to play against an opponent that makes you uncomfortable. What if your opponent were insulting you, withdrawing certainly would damage his reputation. Should you be forced there for 8 hours having him demean you, because doing anything else might damage his reputation? What if he is "just" trolling you while you try to think? Not okay to withdraw? My point is where do you draw the line? Damaging your opponent certainly is not an acceptable standard.
  - stale2002 4y ago
    > Then the rule is just pointless. Can anyone prove that you are not sick No, but if someone goes into a tournament, resigns on move one, and then goes to Twitter with a tweet saying "if I speak....big trouble" then in that situation they can be punished. Is it hypothetically possible that someone might be able to secretly pretend like they are sick? Sure. But the point of rules like this is to prevent the highly obvious and damaging examples of unsportsmanlike conduct. If someone is secretly resigning games in an unsportsmanlike manner, but nobody notices, then there isn't much actually damaging about those actions. > should there be a rule that forces you to play No, instead unsportsmanlike conduct should be punished. Such as resigning on turn one, and then going to Twitter about it with a vague accusation. > My point is where do you draw the line? Well what you do is you punish the really obvious stuff. And if it is done super secretly, then it isn't that damaging anyway, and we don't have to worry about it.
    - constantcrying 4y ago
      Supposing minutes after Carlsen resigned it came out that Niemann had carried with him a device obviously designed to cheat, would Magnus's behaviour been justified then?
      - stale2002 4y ago
        Notice how you have just moved the goal posts! Since you did that I am going to assume that you now take back your silly arguments about the impossibility of only punishing people who are super obviously engaging in unsportsmanlike conduct. I am glad that I am able to convince you so easily, that actually yes it is possible to punish super obvious cases without also punishing people who are dying of a debilitating disease and much engage in an emergency withdrawal! That was a pretty funny argument you were making though! It's really entertaining that you were actually trying to claim that it is impossible to find obvious cases without punishing uhh, sick people?
        constantcrying 4y ago