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If Hans cheated once in an event for money, he should be banned from competing in chess. It's absolutely astounding to me that he has admitted to cheating multi

by alexb_ 4y ago

If Hans cheated once in an event for money, he should be banned from competing in chess. It's absolutely astounding to me that he has admitted to cheating multiple times and yet he's still playing in tournaments.

oldstrangers 4y ago
Even sillier is the number of people willing to completely ignore his rampant cheating just because it was "online". Hans has to carry the burden of his decisions, that's how this work.
- lesuorac 4y ago
  The lawsuit is alleging that he is being penalized for cheating in a game that he did not cheat. Afaik, nobody is arguing that you can't punish somebody for breaking a rule. He even was banned in the past for cheating. However, you can't use an already punished infraction to issue a second infraction. Hans is claiming that he's been blacklisted from a bunch of tournaments as a result of a very unproven claim he cheated in the Sinquefield Cup.
  - oldstrangers 4y ago
    Except chess.com never claimed he cheated at the Sinquefield Cup. He's also seemingly faced zero backlash from any tournaments following Sinquefield Cup, including participating in the US Chess Championship.
- hitekker 4y ago
  There's a vocal minority who earnestly believe that because the internet obscures wrongdoing, it absolves all wrongdoing. Those people cheat, steal, lie, and then say "it's online, what's the big deal" to skulk away from the consequences. I think they identify with Hans Niemann, Dredd Pirate Roberts and other internet celebrities of ill repute because there's not much else for them to hide behind.
  - anotherevan 4y ago
    AKA The Greater Internet Fuckwad Theory https://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2004/03/19/green-blackboards-and-other-anomalies https://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2004/03/19/green-blackboa...
stale2002 4y ago
You could make that argument. Just be aware that you'd have to ban ~20 percent of all grandmasters in chess. Online cheating, even at the top level, is apparently rampant.
- tommiegannert 4y ago
  First time I heard it is more widespread. In that case, I don't understand why Niemann is being targeted so hard by chess.com (no opinion about Carlsen.) Biased source in this case, but https://www.chess.com/article/view/online-chess-cheating https://www.chess.com/article/view/online-chess-cheating says 10%, which is certainly more than I would have thought: > Of the cheaters we have detected to date, 51 (10.2%) are grandmasters. 98 (19.6%) are international masters, and 160 (31.9%) are FIDE masters. More than 90% of these players are male.
  - threatofrain 4y ago
    From the outside perspective, Hans used Chess.com’s brand by essentially saying that Chess.com vouches for his credibility. Then Chess.com asked Hans to recant and came out with their fat report after he refused.

by alexb_ 4y ago

oldstrangers 4y ago

Even sillier is the number of people willing to completely ignore his rampant cheating just because it was "online". Hans has to carry the burden of his decisions, that's how this work.

lesuorac 4y ago
The lawsuit is alleging that he is being penalized for cheating in a game that he did not cheat. Afaik, nobody is arguing that you can't punish somebody for breaking a rule. He even was banned in the past for cheating. However, you can't use an already punished infraction to issue a second infraction. Hans is claiming that he's been blacklisted from a bunch of tournaments as a result of a very unproven claim he cheated in the Sinquefield Cup.
- oldstrangers 4y ago
  Except chess.com never claimed he cheated at the Sinquefield Cup. He's also seemingly faced zero backlash from any tournaments following Sinquefield Cup, including participating in the US Chess Championship.
hitekker 4y ago
There's a vocal minority who earnestly believe that because the internet obscures wrongdoing, it absolves all wrongdoing. Those people cheat, steal, lie, and then say "it's online, what's the big deal" to skulk away from the consequences. I think they identify with Hans Niemann, Dredd Pirate Roberts and other internet celebrities of ill repute because there's not much else for them to hide behind.
- anotherevan 4y ago
  AKA The Greater Internet Fuckwad Theory https://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2004/03/19/green-blackboards-and-other-anomalies https://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2004/03/19/green-blackboa...

stale2002 4y ago

You could make that argument. Just be aware that you'd have to ban ~20 percent of all grandmasters in chess. Online cheating, even at the top level, is apparently rampant.

tommiegannert 4y ago
First time I heard it is more widespread. In that case, I don't understand why Niemann is being targeted so hard by chess.com (no opinion about Carlsen.) Biased source in this case, but https://www.chess.com/article/view/online-chess-cheating https://www.chess.com/article/view/online-chess-cheating says 10%, which is certainly more than I would have thought: > Of the cheaters we have detected to date, 51 (10.2%) are grandmasters. 98 (19.6%) are international masters, and 160 (31.9%) are FIDE masters. More than 90% of these players are male.
- threatofrain 4y ago
  From the outside perspective, Hans used Chess.com’s brand by essentially saying that Chess.com vouches for his credibility. Then Chess.com asked Hans to recant and came out with their fat report after he refused.