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This is the boy who cried wolf. Hans lost his credibility by cheating multiple times. If he actually played that game fairly, it’s still on him for many people

This is the boy who cried wolf. Hans lost his credibility by cheating multiple times. If he actually played that game fairly, it’s still on him for many people doubting him.

dqpb 4y ago
So, guilty until proven innocent?
- agolio 4y ago
  No, guilty after proven guilty, which he has been (he has also admitted to it)
- ru552 4y ago
  No, he's been proven guilty and personally admitted on multiple occasions that he cheated.
  - onepointsixC 4y ago
    Well, most importantly IMO, after having been caught cheating online multiple times more than the cases he had admitted to.
  - N3Xxus_6 4y ago
    He's not proven guilty because the issue is did he cheat OTB when he played Magnus. The answer is no.
    - aeturnum 4y ago
      If that's the issue what is this lawsuit about? Chess.com did not accuse him of cheating OTB. Here is a quote from the report[1]: "Despite the public speculation on these questions, in our view, there is no direct evidence that proves Hans cheated at the September 4, 2022 game with Magnus, or proves that he has cheated in other OTB games in the past." [1] https://www.chess.com/blog/CHESScom/hans-niemann-report https://www.chess.com/blog/CHESScom/hans-niemann-report
  - jona-f 4y ago
    Oh, so its 'once guilty, always guilty', i see. Please keep in mind, the guy was a kid and still is.
    - ru552 4y ago
      No, it's that he's chosen to compete in a game that is inherently based around trust. He's admitted to breaking that trust and he's being punished for it.
    - ar_lan 4y ago
      I completely agree - even as a huge Carlsen fan. The circumstances around the OTB play are suspicious, definitely (not being able to explain his analysis, he coincidentally studied that exact position the night before, and his previous _confirmed_ cheating). But he deserves a fair shake in this situation. And honestly, even if he's in the wrong - I don't think it should be a lifetime ban or anything. I was an absolute moron when I was basically up to my mid-20s. I would call most 21-year-olds a kid today, and I'm only 30. There is still so much learning and growth that needs to happen. It's unfortunate our society pegs folks down as inherently bad - if that's their identity, they will forever stay that way.
  - moralestapia 4y ago
    >he's been proven guilty Do you have a source for that so I can know the context better? :)
    - ru552 4y ago
      https://www.chess.com/blog/CHESScom/hans-niemann-report https://www.chess.com/blog/CHESScom/hans-niemann-report ---- for the cheating https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jdiiPiu87I&t=17479s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jdiiPiu87I&t=17479s ---- Hans admitting to cheating
- 0x445442 4y ago
  Double jeopardy would be the closer analogy but that doesn't apply here either.
thinkingemote 4y ago
"Boy" is the correct word as he was a child when he cheated.
- TylerE 4y ago
  Late teens. Not a boy.

This is the boy who cried wolf. Hans lost his credibility by cheating multiple times. If he actually played that game fairly, it’s still on him for many people doubting him.

dqpb 4y ago

So, guilty until proven innocent?

agolio 4y ago
No, guilty after proven guilty, which he has been (he has also admitted to it)
ru552 4y ago
No, he's been proven guilty and personally admitted on multiple occasions that he cheated.
- onepointsixC 4y ago
  Well, most importantly IMO, after having been caught cheating online multiple times more than the cases he had admitted to.
- N3Xxus_6 4y ago
  He's not proven guilty because the issue is did he cheat OTB when he played Magnus. The answer is no.
  - aeturnum 4y ago
    If that's the issue what is this lawsuit about? Chess.com did not accuse him of cheating OTB. Here is a quote from the report[1]: "Despite the public speculation on these questions, in our view, there is no direct evidence that proves Hans cheated at the September 4, 2022 game with Magnus, or proves that he has cheated in other OTB games in the past." [1] https://www.chess.com/blog/CHESScom/hans-niemann-report https://www.chess.com/blog/CHESScom/hans-niemann-report
- jona-f 4y ago
  Oh, so its 'once guilty, always guilty', i see. Please keep in mind, the guy was a kid and still is.
  - ru552 4y ago
    No, it's that he's chosen to compete in a game that is inherently based around trust. He's admitted to breaking that trust and he's being punished for it.
  - ar_lan 4y ago
    I completely agree - even as a huge Carlsen fan. The circumstances around the OTB play are suspicious, definitely (not being able to explain his analysis, he coincidentally studied that exact position the night before, and his previous _confirmed_ cheating). But he deserves a fair shake in this situation. And honestly, even if he's in the wrong - I don't think it should be a lifetime ban or anything. I was an absolute moron when I was basically up to my mid-20s. I would call most 21-year-olds a kid today, and I'm only 30. There is still so much learning and growth that needs to happen. It's unfortunate our society pegs folks down as inherently bad - if that's their identity, they will forever stay that way.
- moralestapia 4y ago
  >he's been proven guilty Do you have a source for that so I can know the context better? :)
  - ru552 4y ago
    https://www.chess.com/blog/CHESScom/hans-niemann-report https://www.chess.com/blog/CHESScom/hans-niemann-report ---- for the cheating https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jdiiPiu87I&t=17479s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jdiiPiu87I&t=17479s ---- Hans admitting to cheating
0x445442 4y ago
Double jeopardy would be the closer analogy but that doesn't apply here either.

thinkingemote 4y ago

"Boy" is the correct word as he was a child when he cheated.

TylerE 4y ago
Late teens. Not a boy.