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> Destroy someone's career and livelihood with unsubstantiated claims. Hans admitted cheating while playing games on Chess.com. Is alleging that he cheated mor

> Destroy someone's career and livelihood with unsubstantiated claims. Hans admitted cheating while playing games on Chess.com. Is alleging that he cheated more than he previously admitted destroying his career and livelihood?

adamsmith143 4y ago
They also documented numerous other occasions of him cheating on Chess.com beyond what he admitted to.
- wongarsu 4y ago
  Which was the real blow against him. It started with unprovable not-quite-accusations from Carlsen against Niemann, but once Niemann said "I only cheated twice, back when I was young" and chess.com came out with "actually, he cheated a lot on our platform" his credibility was gone
lesuorac 4y ago
> Is alleging that he cheated more than he previously admitted destroying his career and livelihood? That's not what Hans is claiming so it's irrelevant. Hans is claiming that as a result of him beating Magnus in a game he did not cheat in. Hans is now blacklisted from nearly every chess event.
- frumper 4y ago
  Life is tough when you're an admitted and known cheater. I don't wish him luck in his lawsuit, but he's welcome to it.
- karaterobot 4y ago
  I'm not following this story, so I don't know the details. Is the reason he's ostracized because he beat Magnus in a game he did not cheat in, or because of wider allegations of cheating? Did people say "we don't trust you" or "we're blacklisting you because you beat Magnus?". That feels relevant to the law suit.
  - alexb_ 4y ago
    Magnus lost to Hans playing the white pieces, something that hasn't happened in years. The next time they played, Magnus played 1 move and then instantly resigned and dropped out of the tournament. On Twitter, he posted a clip saying "If I speak, I get in big trouble". Many people saw this as an accusation of cheating, including large chess streamer Hikaru Nakamura (who is mentioned in the defamation suit). Magnus later came out to say that yes, he thinks Hans cheated. Hans says that he only cheated a few times as a kid, but never since then. Chess.com then released a report detailing games in which he most likely cheated based on statistical analysis, as well as old emails between the site and Hans where Hans admits to cheating in multiple online games. This showed that he very clearly lied when he said he only cheated a few times as a kid, and never since then. It should be noted that there was no direct evidence of cheating in the game vs Magnus. However, Magnus is insanely good at chess, and his word carries a lot of weight when it comes to fair play (despite the obvious bias). The main reason people don't like him is because of the cheating, not because of the specific game. The game is just what brought this entire situation up, and how a lot of his past cheating started getting exposed.
- genghisjahn 4y ago
  Hans is playing in tournaments left and right. He's playing in a tournament right now. He's in sole possession of 1st place at the 3rd El Llobregat Open. https://www.chessdom.com/hans-niemann-in-the-sole-lead-at-the-3rd-el-llobregat-open/ https://www.chessdom.com/hans-niemann-in-the-sole-lead-at-th...
  - lesuorac 4y ago
    Ok so I was a bit wrong in "nearly every chess event". Hans is only claiming to be banned from the majority of FIDE-sanctioned chess tournaments. > Despite the falsity of Defendants’ accusations, Defendants’ malicious defamation and unlawful collusion has, by design, destroyed Niemann’s remarkable career in its prime and ruined his life. As a result of Play Magnus and Chess.com’s collusion to blacklist him from chess, Niemann can no longer compete in any online Chess.com or Play Magnus tournaments, and will not receive invitations to in-person events sponsored by Chess.com or Play Magnus, which collectively comprise the majority of FIDE-sanctioned chess tournaments. https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.moed.198608/gov.uscourts.moed.198608.1.0.pdf https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.moed.19...

adamsmith143 4y ago

They also documented numerous other occasions of him cheating on Chess.com beyond what he admitted to.

wongarsu 4y ago
Which was the real blow against him. It started with unprovable not-quite-accusations from Carlsen against Niemann, but once Niemann said "I only cheated twice, back when I was young" and chess.com came out with "actually, he cheated a lot on our platform" his credibility was gone

lesuorac 4y ago

> Is alleging that he cheated more than he previously admitted destroying his career and livelihood? That's not what Hans is claiming so it's irrelevant. Hans is claiming that as a result of him beating Magnus in a game he did not cheat in. Hans is now blacklisted from nearly every chess event.

frumper 4y ago
Life is tough when you're an admitted and known cheater. I don't wish him luck in his lawsuit, but he's welcome to it.
karaterobot 4y ago
I'm not following this story, so I don't know the details. Is the reason he's ostracized because he beat Magnus in a game he did not cheat in, or because of wider allegations of cheating? Did people say "we don't trust you" or "we're blacklisting you because you beat Magnus?". That feels relevant to the law suit.
- alexb_ 4y ago
  Magnus lost to Hans playing the white pieces, something that hasn't happened in years. The next time they played, Magnus played 1 move and then instantly resigned and dropped out of the tournament. On Twitter, he posted a clip saying "If I speak, I get in big trouble". Many people saw this as an accusation of cheating, including large chess streamer Hikaru Nakamura (who is mentioned in the defamation suit). Magnus later came out to say that yes, he thinks Hans cheated. Hans says that he only cheated a few times as a kid, but never since then. Chess.com then released a report detailing games in which he most likely cheated based on statistical analysis, as well as old emails between the site and Hans where Hans admits to cheating in multiple online games. This showed that he very clearly lied when he said he only cheated a few times as a kid, and never since then. It should be noted that there was no direct evidence of cheating in the game vs Magnus. However, Magnus is insanely good at chess, and his word carries a lot of weight when it comes to fair play (despite the obvious bias). The main reason people don't like him is because of the cheating, not because of the specific game. The game is just what brought this entire situation up, and how a lot of his past cheating started getting exposed.
genghisjahn 4y ago
Hans is playing in tournaments left and right. He's playing in a tournament right now. He's in sole possession of 1st place at the 3rd El Llobregat Open. https://www.chessdom.com/hans-niemann-in-the-sole-lead-at-the-3rd-el-llobregat-open/ https://www.chessdom.com/hans-niemann-in-the-sole-lead-at-th...
- lesuorac 4y ago
  Ok so I was a bit wrong in "nearly every chess event". Hans is only claiming to be banned from the majority of FIDE-sanctioned chess tournaments. > Despite the falsity of Defendants’ accusations, Defendants’ malicious defamation and unlawful collusion has, by design, destroyed Niemann’s remarkable career in its prime and ruined his life. As a result of Play Magnus and Chess.com’s collusion to blacklist him from chess, Niemann can no longer compete in any online Chess.com or Play Magnus tournaments, and will not receive invitations to in-person events sponsored by Chess.com or Play Magnus, which collectively comprise the majority of FIDE-sanctioned chess tournaments. https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.moed.198608/gov.uscourts.moed.198608.1.0.pdf https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.moed.19...