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The only thing this means is that community action actually made a difference. That's immensely reassuring. Can we keep doing this, but for SOPA itself?

by markbao 15y ago

geekam 15y ago
I agree. Let's focus on company, one at a time. Hopefully, with enough momentum, including big names, things will have to get better. I have been calling companies I am a customer or have been a customer of, to withdraw support if they want to keep me as a customer.
dclowd9901 15y ago
Businesses run the government. Money controls business. This happened to be one of those issues where it was very easy to clearly show the company that their particular actions would not be tolerated. Not only that, but the difficulty of moving your support away from them was tremendously easy as well. Because of limitations, not all industries enjoy this sort of free market-esque lateral movement. Comm companies, for instance, enjoy the benefits of an established infrastructure to keep other players out, and to keep you contracted with them, even under anti-consumer behaviors. This was just a case of all the pieces lining up just right, and the market actually aligning with consumer demand.
- markbao 15y ago
  Huh, you're absolutely right. So people were able to make GoDaddy change their mind by impacting their bottom line. Instead of going through businesses to try to tell the government what the citizens think, and besides writing or calling politicians, what can we do?
  - pstuart 15y ago
    Occupy!
    - freejack 15y ago
      There's a lot of truth in these comments. The most effective change is productive change. Don't like something? Do something that's better. Look at startups like Square who are turning payment processing on its ear, or our project, Ting.com, promising to turn mobility on its ear. Doing a startup that tries to stick it to the man is probably the most effective means of achieving real positive change. Occupy The Internet!
      - Stormbringer 15y ago
        The problem though, with bills like SOPA is that if the incumbents don't like what you're doing they can just switch it off. #define competition illegal is bad, m'kay?
    - mkelley82 15y ago
      I think some good points are made in this post. People need to start implementing or at least, work toward implementation of changes to the status quo, whatever the industry/sector may be. Unless that happens, it is all moot.
  - dclowd9901 15y ago
    I think the mature thing to do, as cynical as this might sound, is to realize that the government is obscenely out of touch with its constituency, and stop going to them for help. Instead, influence the influencers. At the end of the day, all companies have is customers. If the customers stop utilizing their services, the companies are forced to stop pushing their anti-consumer agendas into legislation. Part of this is utilizing the Internet, as it now is, to circumvent the old ways of doing things. Essentially, while it is free, startups should be focusing on helping consumers circumvent traditional industries. We all hate banks as they are. Let's reinvent them. We all hate telecoms. Let's try to create startups that can compete with them. We all hate loan institutions. Let's disrupt the loan structure, allow people to privately invest in one another on a micro scale. Hell, it's already being done for 3rd world nations. We have a real opportunity to change things and make them better. Get out from under the institutionalized world we grew up in. Why not?
    - bigtech 15y ago
      I'm calling false dichotomy on this. Continue to lobby the government AND influence the influencers.
    - kpennell 15y ago
      Great call to action, well written, thanks.
    - paul9290 15y ago
      So your saying we need to boycott Hollywood ?!? Have everyone turn off their tvs, stop paying for cable tv, stop listening to popular music, stop going to the movies and such ? Good luck with that... Definitely need to focus on govt. maybe a OCCUPY Capitol Hill and other SOPA supportErs' premises is what is needed?!??
      - bilban 15y ago
        i think i could quite easily boycott hollywood. I would prefer to read a book any day of the week than induldge in that hype machine.
      - 15y ago
- botker 15y ago
  That's 1 down, 141 to go. Who's next? http://judiciary.house.gov/issues/Rouge%20Websites/SOPA%20Supporters.pdf http://judiciary.house.gov/issues/Rouge%20Websites/SOPA%20Su...
  - jlcx 15y ago
    There's no good place to say this, but that URL bothers me every time I see it. What the hell are "Rouge Websites?" I think they meant something else. :-P
    - nkoren 15y ago
      I haven't actually read the text of SOPA, but I have this amusing fantasy of Anonymous having planted a congressional staffer to do a global search-and-replace through the entire law. Then, when it passes, the following can occur: EvilMegaCorp : Remove this rogue domain from your DNS immediately. DNS : Sorry, we're not going to do that. EvilMegaCorp : But you are legally required to, per SOPA! DNS : Actually, SOPA only requires us to de-link rouge websites. The Engrish-branded knockoff Asian cosmetics industry has really been decimated by this. EvilMegaCorp : << explodes in a fit of pique >> Sigh. A nerd can dream...
    - Zak 15y ago
      Clearly, they mean websites that are red. Red means communist. We must protect ourselves from the threat of communism.
      - Steko 15y ago
        Make up America!!1 Every year we lose tens of thousands of dollars to counterfeit online cosmetics! Fight the powder! We need SOAP to unmascara the pirates!
  - sequoia 15y ago
    https://www.graphicartistsguild.org/ https://www.graphicartistsguild.org/ !! :) They point to position statements ( https://twitter.com/#!/gaguild/status/150004542073872386 https://twitter.com/#!/gaguild/status/150004542073872386 <- written by the copyright alliance) that speak to copyright and say the bill's scope is narrow and specific (I disagree), but I didn't see anything about technical concerns. I think it's fair to say those position statements are a load of horse shit. "Sure we're giving the gov't the right to indefinitely detain anyone, but they're only going to do it if someone is rilly rilly bad, so don't worry! :)"* <- constitutional and civil liberties protections do not work this way. *I know SOPA isn't the same, it's just an analogy :)
- maxharris 15y ago
  "Money controls business." I'm looking at a dollar bill on the table in front of me, and I don't think it controls anything. It's an inanimate object. I know this isn't what you mean. But it's helpful to point this out, for the sake of clear thinking and accuracy: human beings control money. They choose if, where and how to earn it or spend it. Ultimately, it's not money that controls business, but people, with ideas, lives, dreams, goals, motives (sometimes shortsighted and foolhardy, but also sometimes farsighted and brilliant) etc. There is no good reason to imply that one inanimate object or technology such as money is somehow inherently tainted, even if only to some small degree. Why not try calling out bad ideas instead? What are they, and why are they bad?
Natsu 15y ago
I wonder how much of a hand in this Google had? They have a relationship with GoDaddy and I think they were unhappy about this too.
- Vivtek 15y ago
  I think it may have been StackOverflow that made them take notice.
  - unreal37 15y ago
    Wikipedia also said they would move registrars. That must have had an even greater impact.
  - Natsu 15y ago
    I'm sure it was some combination of everyone working together and the bad PR, but Google uses them as the default registrat for Google Apps domains. Threatening to change that arrangement would have a continuing impact on their revenue, rather than being just a one-time outrage. That gives Google more leverage than the other sites, which is why I wonder how that played out. But make no mistake: I'm very glad to see all the websites out there banding together to fight this. Reddit, Wikipedia and even Cheezburger created enough bad PR that they couldn't ignore this and we have to give them credit for that.
  - Macha 15y ago
    StackOverflow own what? 5 domains? stackoverflow.com, stackexchange.com, superuser.com, serverfault.com and stackapps.com . I can't see GoDaddy being that hugely influenced by 5 domains.
    - mixmastamyk 15y ago
      It's not the number but the influence of the entities behind them. If stackoverflow, reddit, and arsetechnica are commenting on an issue, you can be sure many will agree and join in.
CamperBob 15y ago
It's possible that they were faced with a mass walkout of key employees. I know I'd tender my resignation the next day if I worked for someone who issued a press release like Go Daddy's earlier one. As a rule, the few employees who are genuinely mission-critical to a large organization can always find work somewhere else.
darkmethod 15y ago
People in my office are actually cheering. I hope this is just the first of many companies to rescind their pledge.
eurohacker 15y ago
the same way congressmen who are against sopa in certain states can get ahead and can get bigger campaign donations - then thats a real change
huhtenberg 15y ago
What difference? > Fighting online piracy is of the utmost importance This is not what I expect to hear from a CEO of the company that is an integral cog of the Internet. He still got his priorities all wrong, and his interests are still not aligned with the interests of the majority of Internet users. GoDaddy is exactly where it was yesterday, they simply made a cosmetic PR statement that doesn't really affect anything long term.
- dorian-graph 15y ago
  Exactly. I hope the move your domain day goes forward as planned. The ball has started rolling, why stop. Please people, don't stop. I don't have any domains with GoDaddy (I'm contacting the company who handles mine though and asking them about SOPA) but I'm going to join in on the Wikimedia donation run.
stephth 15y ago
What's not reassuring to me is that people are satisfied with this. Let's get real, GoDaddy is trying to dampen the outrage with very little. It may be a good sign - and we should feel happy - that we're starting to make a difference, but GoDaddy did a lot to support SOPA, they should do more than a PR blog post for people to declare victory and wrap up the GoDaddy+SOPA situation.

The only thing this means is that community action actually made a difference. That's immensely reassuring. Can we keep doing this, but for SOPA itself?

by markbao 15y ago

The only thing this means is that community action actually made a difference. That's immensely reassuring. Can we keep doing this, but for SOPA itself?

geekam 15y ago

I agree. Let's focus on company, one at a time. Hopefully, with enough momentum, including big names, things will have to get better. I have been calling companies I am a customer or have been a customer of, to withdraw support if they want to keep me as a customer.

dclowd9901 15y ago

Businesses run the government. Money controls business. This happened to be one of those issues where it was very easy to clearly show the company that their particular actions would not be tolerated. Not only that, but the difficulty of moving your support away from them was tremendously easy as well. Because of limitations, not all industries enjoy this sort of free market-esque lateral movement. Comm companies, for instance, enjoy the benefits of an established infrastructure to keep other players out, and to keep you contracted with them, even under anti-consumer behaviors. This was just a case of all the pieces lining up just right, and the market actually aligning with consumer demand.

markbao 15y ago
Huh, you're absolutely right. So people were able to make GoDaddy change their mind by impacting their bottom line. Instead of going through businesses to try to tell the government what the citizens think, and besides writing or calling politicians, what can we do?
- pstuart 15y ago
  Occupy!
  - freejack 15y ago
    There's a lot of truth in these comments. The most effective change is productive change. Don't like something? Do something that's better. Look at startups like Square who are turning payment processing on its ear, or our project, Ting.com, promising to turn mobility on its ear. Doing a startup that tries to stick it to the man is probably the most effective means of achieving real positive change. Occupy The Internet!
    - Stormbringer 15y ago
      The problem though, with bills like SOPA is that if the incumbents don't like what you're doing they can just switch it off. #define competition illegal is bad, m'kay?
  - mkelley82 15y ago
    I think some good points are made in this post. People need to start implementing or at least, work toward implementation of changes to the status quo, whatever the industry/sector may be. Unless that happens, it is all moot.
- dclowd9901 15y ago
  I think the mature thing to do, as cynical as this might sound, is to realize that the government is obscenely out of touch with its constituency, and stop going to them for help. Instead, influence the influencers. At the end of the day, all companies have is customers. If the customers stop utilizing their services, the companies are forced to stop pushing their anti-consumer agendas into legislation. Part of this is utilizing the Internet, as it now is, to circumvent the old ways of doing things. Essentially, while it is free, startups should be focusing on helping consumers circumvent traditional industries. We all hate banks as they are. Let's reinvent them. We all hate telecoms. Let's try to create startups that can compete with them. We all hate loan institutions. Let's disrupt the loan structure, allow people to privately invest in one another on a micro scale. Hell, it's already being done for 3rd world nations. We have a real opportunity to change things and make them better. Get out from under the institutionalized world we grew up in. Why not?
  - bigtech 15y ago
    I'm calling false dichotomy on this. Continue to lobby the government AND influence the influencers.
  - kpennell 15y ago
    Great call to action, well written, thanks.
  - paul9290 15y ago
    So your saying we need to boycott Hollywood ?!? Have everyone turn off their tvs, stop paying for cable tv, stop listening to popular music, stop going to the movies and such ? Good luck with that... Definitely need to focus on govt. maybe a OCCUPY Capitol Hill and other SOPA supportErs' premises is what is needed?!??
    - bilban 15y ago
      i think i could quite easily boycott hollywood. I would prefer to read a book any day of the week than induldge in that hype machine.
    - 15y ago
botker 15y ago
That's 1 down, 141 to go. Who's next? http://judiciary.house.gov/issues/Rouge%20Websites/SOPA%20Supporters.pdf http://judiciary.house.gov/issues/Rouge%20Websites/SOPA%20Su...
- jlcx 15y ago
  There's no good place to say this, but that URL bothers me every time I see it. What the hell are "Rouge Websites?" I think they meant something else. :-P
  - nkoren 15y ago
    I haven't actually read the text of SOPA, but I have this amusing fantasy of Anonymous having planted a congressional staffer to do a global search-and-replace through the entire law. Then, when it passes, the following can occur: EvilMegaCorp : Remove this rogue domain from your DNS immediately. DNS : Sorry, we're not going to do that. EvilMegaCorp : But you are legally required to, per SOPA! DNS : Actually, SOPA only requires us to de-link rouge websites. The Engrish-branded knockoff Asian cosmetics industry has really been decimated by this. EvilMegaCorp : << explodes in a fit of pique >> Sigh. A nerd can dream...
  - Zak 15y ago
    Clearly, they mean websites that are red. Red means communist. We must protect ourselves from the threat of communism.
    - Steko 15y ago
      Make up America!!1 Every year we lose tens of thousands of dollars to counterfeit online cosmetics! Fight the powder! We need SOAP to unmascara the pirates!
- sequoia 15y ago
  https://www.graphicartistsguild.org/ https://www.graphicartistsguild.org/ !! :) They point to position statements ( https://twitter.com/#!/gaguild/status/150004542073872386 https://twitter.com/#!/gaguild/status/150004542073872386 <- written by the copyright alliance) that speak to copyright and say the bill's scope is narrow and specific (I disagree), but I didn't see anything about technical concerns. I think it's fair to say those position statements are a load of horse shit. "Sure we're giving the gov't the right to indefinitely detain anyone, but they're only going to do it if someone is rilly rilly bad, so don't worry! :)"* <- constitutional and civil liberties protections do not work this way. *I know SOPA isn't the same, it's just an analogy :)
maxharris 15y ago
"Money controls business." I'm looking at a dollar bill on the table in front of me, and I don't think it controls anything. It's an inanimate object. I know this isn't what you mean. But it's helpful to point this out, for the sake of clear thinking and accuracy: human beings control money. They choose if, where and how to earn it or spend it. Ultimately, it's not money that controls business, but people, with ideas, lives, dreams, goals, motives (sometimes shortsighted and foolhardy, but also sometimes farsighted and brilliant) etc. There is no good reason to imply that one inanimate object or technology such as money is somehow inherently tainted, even if only to some small degree. Why not try calling out bad ideas instead? What are they, and why are they bad?

Natsu 15y ago

I wonder how much of a hand in this Google had? They have a relationship with GoDaddy and I think they were unhappy about this too.

Vivtek 15y ago
I think it may have been StackOverflow that made them take notice.
- unreal37 15y ago
  Wikipedia also said they would move registrars. That must have had an even greater impact.
- Natsu 15y ago
  I'm sure it was some combination of everyone working together and the bad PR, but Google uses them as the default registrat for Google Apps domains. Threatening to change that arrangement would have a continuing impact on their revenue, rather than being just a one-time outrage. That gives Google more leverage than the other sites, which is why I wonder how that played out. But make no mistake: I'm very glad to see all the websites out there banding together to fight this. Reddit, Wikipedia and even Cheezburger created enough bad PR that they couldn't ignore this and we have to give them credit for that.
- Macha 15y ago
  StackOverflow own what? 5 domains? stackoverflow.com, stackexchange.com, superuser.com, serverfault.com and stackapps.com . I can't see GoDaddy being that hugely influenced by 5 domains.
  - mixmastamyk 15y ago
    It's not the number but the influence of the entities behind them. If stackoverflow, reddit, and arsetechnica are commenting on an issue, you can be sure many will agree and join in.

CamperBob 15y ago

It's possible that they were faced with a mass walkout of key employees. I know I'd tender my resignation the next day if I worked for someone who issued a press release like Go Daddy's earlier one. As a rule, the few employees who are genuinely mission-critical to a large organization can always find work somewhere else.

darkmethod 15y ago

People in my office are actually cheering. I hope this is just the first of many companies to rescind their pledge.

eurohacker 15y ago

the same way congressmen who are against sopa in certain states can get ahead and can get bigger campaign donations - then thats a real change

huhtenberg 15y ago

What difference? > Fighting online piracy is of the utmost importance This is not what I expect to hear from a CEO of the company that is an integral cog of the Internet. He still got his priorities all wrong, and his interests are still not aligned with the interests of the majority of Internet users. GoDaddy is exactly where it was yesterday, they simply made a cosmetic PR statement that doesn't really affect anything long term.

dorian-graph 15y ago
Exactly. I hope the move your domain day goes forward as planned. The ball has started rolling, why stop. Please people, don't stop. I don't have any domains with GoDaddy (I'm contacting the company who handles mine though and asking them about SOPA) but I'm going to join in on the Wikimedia donation run.

stephth 15y ago

What's not reassuring to me is that people are satisfied with this. Let's get real, GoDaddy is trying to dampen the outrage with very little. It may be a good sign - and we should feel happy - that we're starting to make a difference, but GoDaddy did a lot to support SOPA, they should do more than a PR blog post for people to declare victory and wrap up the GoDaddy+SOPA situation.