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I don't think the argument was that the cyclist passing close would endanger the car, it's that cyclist seem to sometimes have a disturbing disregard for their

I don't think the argument was that the cyclist passing close would endanger the car, it's that cyclist seem to sometimes have a disturbing disregard for their OWN safety when it comes to the choices THEY make. Squeezing by cars in start/stop traffic is one of the more debatable ones. There's also rampant red light running. Driving without lights at night, wearing dark clothes, is the one where I see absolutely no upside for their behavior.

Xylakant 4y ago
I agree, some Cyclist do seem to have little regard for their own safety - but it’s their own safety. A car making a close pass endangers someone else’s safety.
LanceH 4y ago
As a cyclist and a driver, I've never had a cyclist throw something at my car just for existing. My brother has been shot at with a pellet gun. I've had cars swerve at me to run me off the road. There are a lot of psychos out there with a straight up violent hatred for cyclists and a way too many people justifying it because a cyclist was a danger to themselves at some point.
- microtherion 4y ago
  Last week, while driving my car, I had a car behind me flash his headlights and honking at me because I decided not to pass a cyclist in front of me in an area I assessed as too narrow to pass safely. So sometimes even automobilists experience psycho attitudes towards cyclists by proxy.
  - cassianoleal 4y ago
    Indeed, and that's really crap - sorry you had to go throught that. In any case, the car behind you honking and flashing their headlights was likely not putting your life in danger. Thank you for doing the right thing and being patient with the cyclist though. Rest assured your behaviour is appreciated.
denton-scratch 4y ago
> Squeezing by cars in start/stop traffic is one of the more debatable ones. Where I live, this is called "filtering", and it's encouraged by both cycling organisations and motoring organisations. If the ICE traffic has stopped, then the worst that can happen is that you misadjust some motorist's wing mirror, and they have to wind their window down to fix it. > Driving without lights at night, wearing dark clothes, is the one where I see absolutely no upside for their behavior. Agreed! If you dress up as a piece of tarmac and proceed down a tarmac road made for cars, without lights, you should expect cars to treat you like a piece of road, because that's what you look like.
- cassianoleal 4y ago
  > Where I live, this is called "filtering" I had no idea it had a name. > and it's encouraged by both cycling organisations and motoring organisations. This shouldn't really come as a surprise. It's much safer for the cyclist to get ahead of traffic. It's a very nervy situation to have traffic slowly start moving again and you being on your bike squeezes near this accelerating train of cars. Even worse is to be between 2 cars. If the one in front of you suddenly breaks and you can't break on time, you hit them. If you do break on time, you run the risk of getting rammed by the car behind you and squashed into the car in front of you.

Xylakant 4y ago

I agree, some Cyclist do seem to have little regard for their own safety - but it’s their own safety. A car making a close pass endangers someone else’s safety.

LanceH 4y ago

As a cyclist and a driver, I've never had a cyclist throw something at my car just for existing. My brother has been shot at with a pellet gun. I've had cars swerve at me to run me off the road. There are a lot of psychos out there with a straight up violent hatred for cyclists and a way too many people justifying it because a cyclist was a danger to themselves at some point.

microtherion 4y ago
Last week, while driving my car, I had a car behind me flash his headlights and honking at me because I decided not to pass a cyclist in front of me in an area I assessed as too narrow to pass safely. So sometimes even automobilists experience psycho attitudes towards cyclists by proxy.
- cassianoleal 4y ago
  Indeed, and that's really crap - sorry you had to go throught that. In any case, the car behind you honking and flashing their headlights was likely not putting your life in danger. Thank you for doing the right thing and being patient with the cyclist though. Rest assured your behaviour is appreciated.

denton-scratch 4y ago

> Squeezing by cars in start/stop traffic is one of the more debatable ones. Where I live, this is called "filtering", and it's encouraged by both cycling organisations and motoring organisations. If the ICE traffic has stopped, then the worst that can happen is that you misadjust some motorist's wing mirror, and they have to wind their window down to fix it. > Driving without lights at night, wearing dark clothes, is the one where I see absolutely no upside for their behavior. Agreed! If you dress up as a piece of tarmac and proceed down a tarmac road made for cars, without lights, you should expect cars to treat you like a piece of road, because that's what you look like.

cassianoleal 4y ago
> Where I live, this is called "filtering" I had no idea it had a name. > and it's encouraged by both cycling organisations and motoring organisations. This shouldn't really come as a surprise. It's much safer for the cyclist to get ahead of traffic. It's a very nervy situation to have traffic slowly start moving again and you being on your bike squeezes near this accelerating train of cars. Even worse is to be between 2 cars. If the one in front of you suddenly breaks and you can't break on time, you hit them. If you do break on time, you run the risk of getting rammed by the car behind you and squashed into the car in front of you.