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I don't disagree with the general point you're making (though speaking of "mildly misleading", there was never an "automatic extension" or a "license extension

I don't disagree with the general point you're making (though speaking of "mildly misleading", there was never an "automatic extension" or a "license extension process", it was one payment and done). That said... >... realize what a tightwad you’re being... C'mon now. If you call something "lifetime", you can't be shockedpikachu.jpg when you change it to something else years later and people are surprised.

bowsamic 4y ago
- MichaelZuo 4y ago
  Is this trolling?
  - mrd3v0 4y ago
    I am genuinely confused. April is too far away to start confidently saying "everyone knows a word doesn't mean what it means in a *license agreement*".
- jjulius 4y ago
  >Everyone knows that lifetime licenses aren't really lifetime. Clearly "everyone" does not, which explains why you're being heavily downvoted elsewhere in this thread. Words have meaning, "lifetime" means "lifetime".
- danuker 4y ago
  How is that true? Why should I not be able to use a piece of software for the rest of my life, even if the company dies? Of course, only through rejecting DRM can you achieve this.
- awillen 4y ago
  Allow me to be a counterexample. I have purchased software licenses - the old fashioned kind, where you pay once instead of signing up for a subscription - and I expect that I will be able to use those pieces of software for the rest of my life without making another payment of any kind.
- TylerE 4y ago
  The word you're looking for is fraud.
- hombre_fatal 4y ago
  The whole point of selling something as a lifetime license is that you can charge substantially more. You’re not a tightwad ponying up. The developer is a tightwad for trying to double dip on the customers that thought he meant what he said.
fnordpiglet 4y ago
But literally nothing changed with regards to the license. He just makes an appeal that it would be really useful to his ongoing development if you voluntarily opted to fund his work. A tightwad isn’t necessarily a bad person, they’re just unwilling to yield a thin penny in the face of someone’s need unless they’re contractually obliged to.
- jjulius 4y ago
  >But literally nothing changed with regards to the license. Yes, it did. The original agreement[0] was for "a one time, life-time registration which will work with current and future versions of mIRC". The new agreement[1] "entitles you to three years of free updates to new versions of mIRC. If you are a business user, you will need to renew your licenses yearly at a discount". >A tightwad isn’t necessarily a bad person... Delivery matters, though. And for what it's worth, I'm not getting the sense that a lot of the people in this thread who are frustrated by this are simply never going to pay. You can simultaneously be annoyed by this change and also understanding of why. [0] https://web.archive.org/web/20091230075527/http://www.mirc.com/register.html https://web.archive.org/web/20091230075527/http://www.mirc.c... [1] https://www.mirc.com/register.html https://www.mirc.com/register.html
  - fnordpiglet 4y ago
    That’s only if you relicense. You are not obliged to do so. Read the article closely.
    - jjulius 4y ago
      I've read it, and I already know that, yes, it sounds like the dev is willing to grandfather your existing license agreement if you reach out to them directly. >That’s only if you relicense. I mean, sure, but I don't know how else I was supposed to take, "Literally nothing changed with regards to the license". "Literally nothing" is pretty specific.
      - fnordpiglet 4y ago

bowsamic 4y ago

MichaelZuo 4y ago
Is this trolling?
- mrd3v0 4y ago
  I am genuinely confused. April is too far away to start confidently saying "everyone knows a word doesn't mean what it means in a *license agreement*".
jjulius 4y ago
>Everyone knows that lifetime licenses aren't really lifetime. Clearly "everyone" does not, which explains why you're being heavily downvoted elsewhere in this thread. Words have meaning, "lifetime" means "lifetime".
danuker 4y ago
How is that true? Why should I not be able to use a piece of software for the rest of my life, even if the company dies? Of course, only through rejecting DRM can you achieve this.
awillen 4y ago
Allow me to be a counterexample. I have purchased software licenses - the old fashioned kind, where you pay once instead of signing up for a subscription - and I expect that I will be able to use those pieces of software for the rest of my life without making another payment of any kind.
TylerE 4y ago
The word you're looking for is fraud.
hombre_fatal 4y ago
The whole point of selling something as a lifetime license is that you can charge substantially more. You’re not a tightwad ponying up. The developer is a tightwad for trying to double dip on the customers that thought he meant what he said.

fnordpiglet 4y ago

But literally nothing changed with regards to the license. He just makes an appeal that it would be really useful to his ongoing development if you voluntarily opted to fund his work. A tightwad isn’t necessarily a bad person, they’re just unwilling to yield a thin penny in the face of someone’s need unless they’re contractually obliged to.

jjulius 4y ago
>But literally nothing changed with regards to the license. Yes, it did. The original agreement[0] was for "a one time, life-time registration which will work with current and future versions of mIRC". The new agreement[1] "entitles you to three years of free updates to new versions of mIRC. If you are a business user, you will need to renew your licenses yearly at a discount". >A tightwad isn’t necessarily a bad person... Delivery matters, though. And for what it's worth, I'm not getting the sense that a lot of the people in this thread who are frustrated by this are simply never going to pay. You can simultaneously be annoyed by this change and also understanding of why. [0] https://web.archive.org/web/20091230075527/http://www.mirc.com/register.html https://web.archive.org/web/20091230075527/http://www.mirc.c... [1] https://www.mirc.com/register.html https://www.mirc.com/register.html
- fnordpiglet 4y ago
  That’s only if you relicense. You are not obliged to do so. Read the article closely.
  - jjulius 4y ago
    I've read it, and I already know that, yes, it sounds like the dev is willing to grandfather your existing license agreement if you reach out to them directly. >That’s only if you relicense. I mean, sure, but I don't know how else I was supposed to take, "Literally nothing changed with regards to the license". "Literally nothing" is pretty specific.
    - fnordpiglet 4y ago