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Well we had a thread a few weeks ago and that was not a welcome comment, the poster that said they bought a older car with out all the tech was lambasted for t

Well we had a thread a few weeks ago and that was not a welcome comment, the poster that said they bought a older car with out all the tech was lambasted for their environmental impact

dnadler 4y ago
I mean, he did ask for a "typical" comment, not a popular comment!
- 1letterunixname 4y ago
  Careful what you wish for, GPT and the police are listening.
JohnFen 4y ago
I only buy older cars, mostly for this reason. It's too bad that we have to choose between two evils on this, but we do. I choose to use older cars and drive less.
- IgorPartola 4y ago
  Is that true? I feel like you can buy a cheap tin can like a Toyota Yaris that considers power windows to be a major selling point and an optional upgrade, yet has the drive train of a modern econobox.
  - Marsymars 4y ago
    Well, kinda, temporarily, and at an inflated price, given that the Yaris is discontinued, and what used Toyotas are going for.
- FredPret 4y ago
  What about crash safety though - newer cars are much better
  - SoftTalker 4y ago
    An old Mercedes or Volvo is pretty safe.
  - uoaei 4y ago
    Visibility makes crashes less likely, if you're comfortable moving your locus of control inward.
  - JohnFen 4y ago
    They are, yes, but the safety of older models is perfectly acceptable to me.
encryptluks2 4y ago
If I recall, they were referring to an SUV that got maybe 12mpg. Anyhow, what we really need is a car company that produces generic cars and parts that are easily interchangeable and replaceable for like 20 years.
- calvinmorrison 4y ago
  This exists all over the world. Just not here. Our regulations have killed simplicity in cars. Now we could adjust the regulations to allow more of this - like 'kei trucks' would be a big win. In fact, allowing small horsepower vehicles to skip safety requirements if they operate under 25mph is a great idea, and give a pathway for registration and insurance. instead of motorcycles which are licensed, registered and insured, i now see more electric bicycles, which actually look like motorcycles, cost as much as motorcycles, and just ride around willy nilly. Any small time manufactuer should be allowed to produce road legal vehicles for intracity use, and be allowed to skip most regulations that are onerous. Lighting, fine, brakes fine, but does it need a reverse camera or onstar or lane departure? no probably not.
  - TylerE 4y ago
    Reverse cameras are a safety feature, not a luxury. I also doubt any market for what you're describing exists beyond "15 year old Honda Civic/Toyota Camry"
    - nisegami 4y ago
      Safety features can absolutely be a luxury.
      - TylerE 4y ago
        Not when what they're protecting are pedestrians, especially children, who often aren't tall enough to be visible in a mirror.
        4y ago
scohesc 4y ago
If I have to choose between a massive tech corporation being able to know exactly what I do with the car I've bought, as well as the cops begin able to retrieve the same data, and buying a 20+ year old "gas guzzler" that has manual, physical controls, non-subscription-required heated seats, an after-market backup camera... You bet your bottom dollar I'm going for the "gas guzzler" - I hate these massive corporations more than I love the earth because they're the ones trying to force me into their ecosystem I can't back out of. Too bad the barrier to entry for car manufacturing is so high due to the tech involved, the "back-door" deals, etc. etc. - I'm sure a cheaper company selling a well made equivalent of the GNU/CAR meme would be popular if marketed correctly.
- jollyllama 4y ago
  Exactly. If they don't want us to buy the old cars, make good new cars, meaning, without all of the unnecessary and poorly implemented tech. The burden isn't on me to change and what's more, adding all the bad stuff is extra work, so they should just stop.
- adql 4y ago
  Margins on cars are pretty low, in single digit percentages, and only higher when you move to premium cars. You just cannot compete as "not huge" company with other big companies making cheap cars. They are making their money on service and replacement components, not on new economy car sales (well, pre-pandemic at least) So you're not getting "cheaper company" nor "well made" because making something well and cheap requires that scale in the first place. The issue is really that not that many come to dealership and want cheapest radio from the 90s in their new car. People do want at least android auto/carplay and that usually comes with whole rest of entertainment, and as we are in cheap economy car segment, well, the shit that cost few bucks in knobs also get moved to that entertainment.
- ok123456 4y ago
  A 20 year old Honda civic is hardly a gas guzzler. Under real driving conditions cars that are being sold new today have about the same emissions and fuel consumption as cars 20 years ago, with the exception of very large v8 engines and models like the The Suburban and the H2. You can only really start talking about old cars being generally 'gas guzzlers' if you go back to the malaise era in the 70s.
sethammons 4y ago
I had an environmental science professor who would not buy a new car to replace his beat up gas guzzler that was decades old. The production of a car produces about 40k gallons of hazardous waste, removing that water permanently from the water supply. https://www.automotiveworld.com/articles/water-water-everywhere-vehicle-manufacturing/ https://www.automotiveworld.com/articles/water-water-everywh...

Well we had a thread a few weeks ago and that was not a welcome comment, the poster that said they bought a older car with out all the tech was lambasted for their environmental impact

dnadler 4y ago

I mean, he did ask for a "typical" comment, not a popular comment!

1letterunixname 4y ago
Careful what you wish for, GPT and the police are listening.

JohnFen 4y ago

I only buy older cars, mostly for this reason. It's too bad that we have to choose between two evils on this, but we do. I choose to use older cars and drive less.

IgorPartola 4y ago
Is that true? I feel like you can buy a cheap tin can like a Toyota Yaris that considers power windows to be a major selling point and an optional upgrade, yet has the drive train of a modern econobox.
- Marsymars 4y ago
  Well, kinda, temporarily, and at an inflated price, given that the Yaris is discontinued, and what used Toyotas are going for.
FredPret 4y ago
What about crash safety though - newer cars are much better
- SoftTalker 4y ago
  An old Mercedes or Volvo is pretty safe.
- uoaei 4y ago
  Visibility makes crashes less likely, if you're comfortable moving your locus of control inward.
- JohnFen 4y ago
  They are, yes, but the safety of older models is perfectly acceptable to me.

encryptluks2 4y ago

If I recall, they were referring to an SUV that got maybe 12mpg. Anyhow, what we really need is a car company that produces generic cars and parts that are easily interchangeable and replaceable for like 20 years.

calvinmorrison 4y ago
This exists all over the world. Just not here. Our regulations have killed simplicity in cars. Now we could adjust the regulations to allow more of this - like 'kei trucks' would be a big win. In fact, allowing small horsepower vehicles to skip safety requirements if they operate under 25mph is a great idea, and give a pathway for registration and insurance. instead of motorcycles which are licensed, registered and insured, i now see more electric bicycles, which actually look like motorcycles, cost as much as motorcycles, and just ride around willy nilly. Any small time manufactuer should be allowed to produce road legal vehicles for intracity use, and be allowed to skip most regulations that are onerous. Lighting, fine, brakes fine, but does it need a reverse camera or onstar or lane departure? no probably not.
- TylerE 4y ago
  Reverse cameras are a safety feature, not a luxury. I also doubt any market for what you're describing exists beyond "15 year old Honda Civic/Toyota Camry"
  - nisegami 4y ago
    Safety features can absolutely be a luxury.
    - TylerE 4y ago
      Not when what they're protecting are pedestrians, especially children, who often aren't tall enough to be visible in a mirror.
      - 4y ago

scohesc 4y ago

If I have to choose between a massive tech corporation being able to know exactly what I do with the car I've bought, as well as the cops begin able to retrieve the same data, and buying a 20+ year old "gas guzzler" that has manual, physical controls, non-subscription-required heated seats, an after-market backup camera... You bet your bottom dollar I'm going for the "gas guzzler" - I hate these massive corporations more than I love the earth because they're the ones trying to force me into their ecosystem I can't back out of. Too bad the barrier to entry for car manufacturing is so high due to the tech involved, the "back-door" deals, etc. etc. - I'm sure a cheaper company selling a well made equivalent of the GNU/CAR meme would be popular if marketed correctly.

jollyllama 4y ago
Exactly. If they don't want us to buy the old cars, make good new cars, meaning, without all of the unnecessary and poorly implemented tech. The burden isn't on me to change and what's more, adding all the bad stuff is extra work, so they should just stop.
adql 4y ago
Margins on cars are pretty low, in single digit percentages, and only higher when you move to premium cars. You just cannot compete as "not huge" company with other big companies making cheap cars. They are making their money on service and replacement components, not on new economy car sales (well, pre-pandemic at least) So you're not getting "cheaper company" nor "well made" because making something well and cheap requires that scale in the first place. The issue is really that not that many come to dealership and want cheapest radio from the 90s in their new car. People do want at least android auto/carplay and that usually comes with whole rest of entertainment, and as we are in cheap economy car segment, well, the shit that cost few bucks in knobs also get moved to that entertainment.
ok123456 4y ago
A 20 year old Honda civic is hardly a gas guzzler. Under real driving conditions cars that are being sold new today have about the same emissions and fuel consumption as cars 20 years ago, with the exception of very large v8 engines and models like the The Suburban and the H2. You can only really start talking about old cars being generally 'gas guzzlers' if you go back to the malaise era in the 70s.

sethammons 4y ago

I had an environmental science professor who would not buy a new car to replace his beat up gas guzzler that was decades old. The production of a car produces about 40k gallons of hazardous waste, removing that water permanently from the water supply. https://www.automotiveworld.com/articles/water-water-everywhere-vehicle-manufacturing/ https://www.automotiveworld.com/articles/water-water-everywh...