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Do you have a drivers license? A passport? If so, the government already has your photo tied to your identity. Myself personally, I’d rather not take my laptop

Do you have a drivers license? A passport? If so, the government already has your photo tied to your identity. Myself personally, I’d rather not take my laptop(s), iPad, keyboard, mouse, etc out of my carry on, take my shoes off and belt and wait in a longer line. For what purpose?

Eumenes 4y ago
So your rationale here is: if you already have a passport/drivers license, you should be okay with facial recognition software being used by the government? Hmm, very convincing.
- scarface74 4y ago
  The government already has your face on file attached to your identification and is perfectly capable of identifying you using facial recognition. If Google can recognize different images of you based on one image on file, why do you think the government can’t? What do you think you are accomplishing? They also have a record of every flight you take.
  - lm28469 4y ago
    That's why we have laws ??? Just because it's technically feasible it doesn't mean it _should_ be enforced. We could also farm humans to harvest their organs, the technology is here, imagine how many lives we'd save !
    - scarface74 4y ago
      Laws against what? Validating that you are who you say you are before you get on plane? Laws against checking whether you are on a no fly list? Every time you pass a police car, they can scan license plates programmatically and if they stop you, they have your ID on file that they can pull up. In most states, your driver’s license is a RealID license approved by the federal government. You are protecting yourself against nothing by not using PreCheck.
  - Eumenes 4y ago
    You don't see a slippery slope with facial recognition technology being used by the federal government? Idk - cross referencing your face in public places, being blamed for a crime you didn't commit. I don't' look like my drivers license photo. It's pretty old - I keep renewing it. Look at how Ring has partnered with police departments. I have no issues with people opting into this, see https://www.clearme.com/ https://www.clearme.com/
    - scarface74 4y ago
      They already use license plate recognition when you are driving and there is a clear doctrine of no expectation of privacy in public places. They already have everything they need to do mass surveillance using photo recognition and your photo to do it with if you have a driver’s license and passport. It’s perfectly legal to do so. They can track you via your cellphone using m records that they already get from the carriers. You’ve given up your privacy with the TSA the minute you walked into an airport.
      - marssaxman 4y ago
        You keep making this same kind of argument throughout this thread, and I don't understand what you think you are accomplishing. You seem to think that just because some invasive tracking already exists, people should freely accept further expansions of invasive tracking. Why should that be the case? You should feel free to accept whatever comes along, if that's what works for you; but some of us clearly believe that while some is bad, more is even worse, and it is therefore worthwhile to resist.
        scarface74 4y ago
        There is no further tracking. The TSA is already tracking you every time you get on a plane. The government already has the technology, your photo and legally can use the photo they already have of you to use facial recognition. There are already traffic cams that scan your license plate and are used to track you every time you drive. There is no expansion You accomplish nothing by not giving the government your photo again that they already have from both your driver’s license and passport. They can track you when you drive, when you fly, by your cell phone.
b3morales 4y ago
The thing is, as much as I hate all the scanning too, identity is an extremely weak safeguard against what TSA is supposedly guarding. If we could verify that he didn't have any weapons, bombs, etc., Osama bin Laden himself could have taken a flight without anyone else on board being in danger.
- scarface74 4y ago
  I’m not defending the TSA’s security theatre in any way. I just think it’s silly to worry about the TSA having your photo for facial recognition when they already know everything about you the minute you check in and the government has your photo on file linked to your identity already.

Eumenes 4y ago

So your rationale here is: if you already have a passport/drivers license, you should be okay with facial recognition software being used by the government? Hmm, very convincing.

scarface74 4y ago
The government already has your face on file attached to your identification and is perfectly capable of identifying you using facial recognition. If Google can recognize different images of you based on one image on file, why do you think the government can’t? What do you think you are accomplishing? They also have a record of every flight you take.
- lm28469 4y ago
  That's why we have laws ??? Just because it's technically feasible it doesn't mean it _should_ be enforced. We could also farm humans to harvest their organs, the technology is here, imagine how many lives we'd save !
  - scarface74 4y ago
    Laws against what? Validating that you are who you say you are before you get on plane? Laws against checking whether you are on a no fly list? Every time you pass a police car, they can scan license plates programmatically and if they stop you, they have your ID on file that they can pull up. In most states, your driver’s license is a RealID license approved by the federal government. You are protecting yourself against nothing by not using PreCheck.
- Eumenes 4y ago
  You don't see a slippery slope with facial recognition technology being used by the federal government? Idk - cross referencing your face in public places, being blamed for a crime you didn't commit. I don't' look like my drivers license photo. It's pretty old - I keep renewing it. Look at how Ring has partnered with police departments. I have no issues with people opting into this, see https://www.clearme.com/ https://www.clearme.com/
  - scarface74 4y ago
    They already use license plate recognition when you are driving and there is a clear doctrine of no expectation of privacy in public places. They already have everything they need to do mass surveillance using photo recognition and your photo to do it with if you have a driver’s license and passport. It’s perfectly legal to do so. They can track you via your cellphone using m records that they already get from the carriers. You’ve given up your privacy with the TSA the minute you walked into an airport.
    - marssaxman 4y ago
      You keep making this same kind of argument throughout this thread, and I don't understand what you think you are accomplishing. You seem to think that just because some invasive tracking already exists, people should freely accept further expansions of invasive tracking. Why should that be the case? You should feel free to accept whatever comes along, if that's what works for you; but some of us clearly believe that while some is bad, more is even worse, and it is therefore worthwhile to resist.
      - scarface74 4y ago
        There is no further tracking. The TSA is already tracking you every time you get on a plane. The government already has the technology, your photo and legally can use the photo they already have of you to use facial recognition. There are already traffic cams that scan your license plate and are used to track you every time you drive. There is no expansion You accomplish nothing by not giving the government your photo again that they already have from both your driver’s license and passport. They can track you when you drive, when you fly, by your cell phone.

b3morales 4y ago

The thing is, as much as I hate all the scanning too, identity is an extremely weak safeguard against what TSA is supposedly guarding. If we could verify that he didn't have any weapons, bombs, etc., Osama bin Laden himself could have taken a flight without anyone else on board being in danger.

scarface74 4y ago
I’m not defending the TSA’s security theatre in any way. I just think it’s silly to worry about the TSA having your photo for facial recognition when they already know everything about you the minute you check in and the government has your photo on file linked to your identity already.