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> Sure, but you should stop selling your product like it can do all of those things and more. Its outright lying. This is the response I hate. Detractors say t

by w0m 4y ago

> Sure, but you should stop selling your product like it can do all of those things and more. Its outright lying. This is the response I hate. Detractors say that to argue against any adoption. It's not a claim any sane proponent (Musk is not sane and no one should listen to him) will make. Will it work eventually for (most) use cases? Yea! But likely not everywhere. Just like there are edge cases Gas or Diesel still don't work well. That doesn't mean to ignore potential where it makes sense. I bought a commuter car. That's it. When I bought; was more of a novelty as I didn't know anyone else with anything similar. I repeatedly got angrily shouted at while driving (in a relatively major city), coal-rolled; and heckled by strangers and family members around the dinner table about how poor of a decision I made. 3 years later; I have a nice/fun/convenient commuter car that hasn't needed any maintenance and the trade in is higher than I paid for it. Is it for everyone? No. But that doesn't mean there is a void in value.

saxonww 4y ago
I'd never heard of 'rolling coal' before. It's where you modify a diesel vehicle to dump fuel and emit a lot of smoke from the exhaust. As you might expect, people who do this to their trucks are very proud of it; it's usually a 'statement' against environmentalism. It purposefully wastes diesel which is already much more expensive than gas. It's dangerous for a variety of reasons. It's illegal in the US and parts of Canada, though apparently not well policed. It's stupid.
- Kirby64 4y ago
  Take a visit to any part of the south. Plenty of coal rollers around there. In some places, driving a sedan is the weird thing (instead of a truck).
- w0m 4y ago
  Picture you're going down the highway not really paying attention to cars around you outside of general safety. Lifted dodge aggressively pulls infront of you; forcing you to spike breaks before it's engine revs and you're completely blind in a giant smog cloud as the truck spews all over you. It's nasty and some seem to hunt EVs to vomit on.
oxplot 4y ago
> I have a nice/fun/convenient commuter car that hasn't needed any maintenance and the trade in is higher than I paid for it. Is it for everyone? Is it for everyone? No. But that doesn't mean there is a void in value. I'm sure you have reasons for downplaying this, but I would follow this with "and told them, in your face losers", or something to that effect. Saying "saving money and hassle" isn't for everyone is suspicious to say the least. Why wouldn't it be for everyone?
- w0m 4y ago
  > I'm sure you have reasons for downplaying this, but I would follow this with "and told them, in your face losers", or something to that effect. Why would I ~ever mention it when it's somehow contentious? Family member in question has a truck that costs ~50% more. Why would I care? > Saying "saving money and hassle" isn't for everyone is suspicious to say the least. Why wouldn't it be for everyone? I never told anyone it saved money. I paid ~50% more for an electric Honda Civic. For my area/family group I was a new-tech adopter. I wasn't getting told, "You wasted money!" I was told, "That death trap will explode/catch on fire/not make it through the snow, battery will randomly empty, etc", harangued on the absolute basics on simple fallacies.
  - oxplot 4y ago
    Oh

by w0m 4y ago

saxonww 4y ago

I'd never heard of 'rolling coal' before. It's where you modify a diesel vehicle to dump fuel and emit a lot of smoke from the exhaust. As you might expect, people who do this to their trucks are very proud of it; it's usually a 'statement' against environmentalism. It purposefully wastes diesel which is already much more expensive than gas. It's dangerous for a variety of reasons. It's illegal in the US and parts of Canada, though apparently not well policed. It's stupid.

Kirby64 4y ago
Take a visit to any part of the south. Plenty of coal rollers around there. In some places, driving a sedan is the weird thing (instead of a truck).
w0m 4y ago
Picture you're going down the highway not really paying attention to cars around you outside of general safety. Lifted dodge aggressively pulls infront of you; forcing you to spike breaks before it's engine revs and you're completely blind in a giant smog cloud as the truck spews all over you. It's nasty and some seem to hunt EVs to vomit on.

oxplot 4y ago

> I have a nice/fun/convenient commuter car that hasn't needed any maintenance and the trade in is higher than I paid for it. Is it for everyone? Is it for everyone? No. But that doesn't mean there is a void in value. I'm sure you have reasons for downplaying this, but I would follow this with "and told them, in your face losers", or something to that effect. Saying "saving money and hassle" isn't for everyone is suspicious to say the least. Why wouldn't it be for everyone?

w0m 4y ago
> I'm sure you have reasons for downplaying this, but I would follow this with "and told them, in your face losers", or something to that effect. Why would I ~ever mention it when it's somehow contentious? Family member in question has a truck that costs ~50% more. Why would I care? > Saying "saving money and hassle" isn't for everyone is suspicious to say the least. Why wouldn't it be for everyone? I never told anyone it saved money. I paid ~50% more for an electric Honda Civic. For my area/family group I was a new-tech adopter. I wasn't getting told, "You wasted money!" I was told, "That death trap will explode/catch on fire/not make it through the snow, battery will randomly empty, etc", harangued on the absolute basics on simple fallacies.
- oxplot 4y ago
  Oh