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A counter argument would be that, those who are allowed by the anti-cheat to play freely for a decade, are those who were filtered down by the anti-cheat to who

A counter argument would be that, those who are allowed by the anti-cheat to play freely for a decade, are those who were filtered down by the anti-cheat to who it sees as a "good player" to itself. But when the anti-cheat finds someone that they do not like, for example a developer who has tooling such as CheatEngine, WireShark, AHK, or WSL installed, will get discriminated against in preemptive bans, unable to get more than be a casual in said games. It also does not help that "good players" by the anti-cheat's eye will often enable this bias by doubling down whatever the anti-cheat says is bad. A black box that no human fully understands the behavior of, even its own developers, yet is ultimately trusted without review of anyone hit by a ban. A system ripe for enabling bias to absolutely excessive proportions, and need to be held in better check.

riversflow 4y ago
> when the anti-cheat finds someone that they do not like, for example a developer who has tooling such as CheatEngine, WireShark, AHK, or WSL installed. A lot of these folks are software developers! I’d have to do a poll to get wider info, but I know several people have AHK, WireShark and WSL installed, and have for years. But especially with online multiplayer games, the sentiment has always been that you necessarily give up some freedom to participate. For example, I don’t actually know a single person who dislikes ring 0 kernel anti-cheat, dubbed “spyware” by many. > absolutely excessive proportions. Citation badly needed, there are a lot of cheaters! The fact that I can buy a Cronus from a local gamestop, today, speaks volumes. I’d like to get cheaters in check first, how about we criminalize assisting in cheating, not actually enforce it through state-sponsored law enforcement, but make it so that gaming companies have an easy path to shut it down and bankrupt cheat-device manufacturers/retailers/importers. Something like DMCA. In the same bill we can hold game/anti cheat vendors accountable for bans.

riversflow 4y ago

> when the anti-cheat finds someone that they do not like, for example a developer who has tooling such as CheatEngine, WireShark, AHK, or WSL installed. A lot of these folks are software developers! I’d have to do a poll to get wider info, but I know several people have AHK, WireShark and WSL installed, and have for years. But especially with online multiplayer games, the sentiment has always been that you necessarily give up some freedom to participate. For example, I don’t actually know a single person who dislikes ring 0 kernel anti-cheat, dubbed “spyware” by many. > absolutely excessive proportions. Citation badly needed, there are a lot of cheaters! The fact that I can buy a Cronus from a local gamestop, today, speaks volumes. I’d like to get cheaters in check first, how about we criminalize assisting in cheating, not actually enforce it through state-sponsored law enforcement, but make it so that gaming companies have an easy path to shut it down and bankrupt cheat-device manufacturers/retailers/importers. Something like DMCA. In the same bill we can hold game/anti cheat vendors accountable for bans.