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Mathematically, zero human supervision driving is close to impossible. It's simply almost impossible to guarantee, and convince society's institutions, a compu

by urthor 4y ago

Mathematically, zero human supervision driving is close to impossible. It's simply almost impossible to guarantee, and convince society's institutions, a computer car will perform better than a human. And if a human still has to be sitting in the driver's seat paying attention? The financial justification flies out of the window.

mrguyorama 4y ago
More importantly, if the robo car IS ACTUALLY safer than average human drivers (which is a stupidly low bar because that includes drunk and distracted driving), but has extremely weird, unpredictable failure modes like suddenly driving off a bridge with no warning 1 out of 1,000,000 times, how safe do you feel riding in this car? People don't like working with systems that have utterly inscrutable error conditions. The devil you know is much better.
- theluketaylor 4y ago
  I've heard it said the single best thing that could be done for airline safety is getting rid of pilots since most crashes are the result of pilot error. Then ask yourself if you would get on a plane without anyone flying it. Driving is one of the most dangerous activities people undertake on a regular basis, yet we are all numb to the risk since it's just normal. Changing a major variable in the risk profile of driving by introducing autonomous cars is a big deal since the failure modes are so foreign. I think the autonomous vehicle resources should be more focused in the short term in making "uncrashable" cars as we're a long way off from true autonomy. Systems like automatic emergency braking that live in the background and act when the driver is making a serious error to prevent or dramatically reduce the impact of an event the car is certain will occur.
  - xboxnolifes 4y ago
    > I've heard it said the single best thing that could be done for airline safety is getting rid of pilots since most crashes are the result of pilot error. Then ask yourself if you would get on a plane without anyone flying it. The first one? Probably not. But going but a lot of comments here and else where, there are plenty of other people willing to be early adopters. People already do some pretty stupid shit with Tesla Autopilot. 5 years in with statistics to show? Yes, I would. Of course, that logic of removing pilots could be completely flawed based on the chance that the only reason the pilots failed at all was because they had to step in when the automated systems could not handle the situation.

by urthor 4y ago

mrguyorama 4y ago

More importantly, if the robo car IS ACTUALLY safer than average human drivers (which is a stupidly low bar because that includes drunk and distracted driving), but has extremely weird, unpredictable failure modes like suddenly driving off a bridge with no warning 1 out of 1,000,000 times, how safe do you feel riding in this car? People don't like working with systems that have utterly inscrutable error conditions. The devil you know is much better.

theluketaylor 4y ago
I've heard it said the single best thing that could be done for airline safety is getting rid of pilots since most crashes are the result of pilot error. Then ask yourself if you would get on a plane without anyone flying it. Driving is one of the most dangerous activities people undertake on a regular basis, yet we are all numb to the risk since it's just normal. Changing a major variable in the risk profile of driving by introducing autonomous cars is a big deal since the failure modes are so foreign. I think the autonomous vehicle resources should be more focused in the short term in making "uncrashable" cars as we're a long way off from true autonomy. Systems like automatic emergency braking that live in the background and act when the driver is making a serious error to prevent or dramatically reduce the impact of an event the car is certain will occur.
- xboxnolifes 4y ago
  > I've heard it said the single best thing that could be done for airline safety is getting rid of pilots since most crashes are the result of pilot error. Then ask yourself if you would get on a plane without anyone flying it. The first one? Probably not. But going but a lot of comments here and else where, there are plenty of other people willing to be early adopters. People already do some pretty stupid shit with Tesla Autopilot. 5 years in with statistics to show? Yes, I would. Of course, that logic of removing pilots could be completely flawed based on the chance that the only reason the pilots failed at all was because they had to step in when the automated systems could not handle the situation.