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I'm saying, an AI significantly better than what humans can do today, is just as much a fantasy as anti-gravity technology. People get injured and killed every

I'm saying, an AI significantly better than what humans can do today, is just as much a fantasy as anti-gravity technology. People get injured and killed every day because they don't have anti-gravity tech and are trying to lift or move heavy objects. You can make all the same arguments. And most of the "people are stupid" problems with cars are better solved by other tech like driver monitoring - Volvo is already deploying this. Self driving cars/buses is just a fairytale used by Tesla/Uber/etc. tech bros to try and defend their valuations.

kugelblitz 4y ago
> I'm saying, an AI significantly better than what humans can do today, is just as much a fantasy as anti-gravity technology. I think this is a key thing where we have differing opinions. I believe an AI taught to drive safely will be significantly better than humans at it. It's not a general purpose AI, just one that is taught to be better at driving. An AI doesn't get distracted as easily. They don't look to the sides for 2 seconds while driving 125 mph on the freeway. They don't check their emails while on a busy city road. They don't need 1-2 seconds to react to a baby stroller emerging from a line of parked cars. My mind has slowly accepting the idea that "specific purpose AI" is already here. Working with an "AI-infused" coding assistant (Github Copilot), it took me a few weeks to get used to. But now I feel it can complete some of my coding assignments at a junior coder level (good effort, but I still need to check the work, sometimes it's non-sense, but many times it's pretty good). I can already off-load some of my routine work to this assistant.
- cutemonster 4y ago
  > an AI taught to drive safely will be significantly better than humans at it. That would depend on which human you have in mind. Some are 100 x more dangerous than others. (See the link below.) Or 100 x safer depending on what you consider normal You don't happen to know about any statistics about fatalities per 1 billion vehicle-km for (partly) self driving cars? To compare with https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_traffic-related_death_rate https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_traffic... Edit: i found: > Overall, autonomous vehicles (AVs) were involved in more crashes: 9.1 crashes per million miles traveled, compared to 4.1 for conventional cars. However, compared to injuries experienced in traditional vehicle collisions, the ones involving injury were minor. https://1800injured.care/self-driving-car-accident-statistics/ https://1800injured.care/self-driving-car-accident-statistic... If that's reliable info, then they'll eventually get better than an average human in the US (or are already). And in some countries, they could be an amazing improvement -- see the insane amount of fatalities, in some countries (Wikipedia link above).

kugelblitz 4y ago

> I'm saying, an AI significantly better than what humans can do today, is just as much a fantasy as anti-gravity technology. I think this is a key thing where we have differing opinions. I believe an AI taught to drive safely will be significantly better than humans at it. It's not a general purpose AI, just one that is taught to be better at driving. An AI doesn't get distracted as easily. They don't look to the sides for 2 seconds while driving 125 mph on the freeway. They don't check their emails while on a busy city road. They don't need 1-2 seconds to react to a baby stroller emerging from a line of parked cars. My mind has slowly accepting the idea that "specific purpose AI" is already here. Working with an "AI-infused" coding assistant (Github Copilot), it took me a few weeks to get used to. But now I feel it can complete some of my coding assignments at a junior coder level (good effort, but I still need to check the work, sometimes it's non-sense, but many times it's pretty good). I can already off-load some of my routine work to this assistant.

cutemonster 4y ago
> an AI taught to drive safely will be significantly better than humans at it. That would depend on which human you have in mind. Some are 100 x more dangerous than others. (See the link below.) Or 100 x safer depending on what you consider normal You don't happen to know about any statistics about fatalities per 1 billion vehicle-km for (partly) self driving cars? To compare with https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_traffic-related_death_rate https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_traffic... Edit: i found: > Overall, autonomous vehicles (AVs) were involved in more crashes: 9.1 crashes per million miles traveled, compared to 4.1 for conventional cars. However, compared to injuries experienced in traditional vehicle collisions, the ones involving injury were minor. https://1800injured.care/self-driving-car-accident-statistics/ https://1800injured.care/self-driving-car-accident-statistic... If that's reliable info, then they'll eventually get better than an average human in the US (or are already). And in some countries, they could be an amazing improvement -- see the insane amount of fatalities, in some countries (Wikipedia link above).