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Just use trains for bulk like a normal country.

oxplot 4y ago
It's all about economics. Whatever's cheaper wins. To that end, Tesla has mentioned in their presentations that a Tesla Semi convoy of only 3 trucks can be cheaper than a train for the same load.
- panick21_ 4y ago
  The problem is that highways are literally not cheaper but massively subsidized and heavy trucks are destroying that public infrastructure because they are so heavy. So just saying its all economics when the underlying rules of the game are totally unequal is not that useful.
  - oxplot 4y ago
    Sorry I should have been more specific. I'm referring to economics from the viewpoint of the business operating a fleet. Given almost all business do not hold back from whatever incentive and subsidies are available to them, it's fairly reasonable boundary to confine the comparison to.
    - panick21_ 4y ago
      Its a reasonable boundary but not reasonable when discussing the politics and what as a society should be done.
- me_me_me 4y ago
  > To that end, Tesla has mentioned in their presentations that a Tesla Semi convoy of only 3 trucks can be cheaper than a train for the same load. I can carry it on my magic carpet for even cheaper, trust me I am rich so I wouldn't lie... this time. Trains have replaceable engines, power-lines - no battery. Trucks will not be cheaper option no matter what mumbo jumbo techno jargon you throw at it. And decades of technological optimizations. And they dont need lithium to be made and maintained.
  - oxplot 4y ago
    > I can carry it on my magic carpet Oh I see. You're high out of your mind. Explains your other responses.
    - me_me_me 4y ago
      Oh I see you make effort to read someone's history of posts, explains a lot about you
mminer237 4y ago
The US has way more freight rail than other countries: https://www.nationmaster.com/nmx/ranking/volume-of-rail-freight-transport https://www.nationmaster.com/nmx/ranking/volume-of-rail-frei... Other countries need to use trains for bulk like the US does. Rail is just a lot more complex to plan for. You still need trucks for last-mile transport, so for the typical short haul it sometimes makes more sense to just drive to the destination directly. Then transporting by train just takes longer which isn't always acceptable. Sometimes you just need things there today/tomorrow.

It's all about economics. Whatever's cheaper wins. To that end, Tesla has mentioned in their presentations that a Tesla Semi convoy of only 3 trucks can be cheaper than a train for the same load.

panick21_ 4y ago
The problem is that highways are literally not cheaper but massively subsidized and heavy trucks are destroying that public infrastructure because they are so heavy. So just saying its all economics when the underlying rules of the game are totally unequal is not that useful.
- oxplot 4y ago
  Sorry I should have been more specific. I'm referring to economics from the viewpoint of the business operating a fleet. Given almost all business do not hold back from whatever incentive and subsidies are available to them, it's fairly reasonable boundary to confine the comparison to.
  - panick21_ 4y ago
    Its a reasonable boundary but not reasonable when discussing the politics and what as a society should be done.
me_me_me 4y ago
> To that end, Tesla has mentioned in their presentations that a Tesla Semi convoy of only 3 trucks can be cheaper than a train for the same load. I can carry it on my magic carpet for even cheaper, trust me I am rich so I wouldn't lie... this time. Trains have replaceable engines, power-lines - no battery. Trucks will not be cheaper option no matter what mumbo jumbo techno jargon you throw at it. And decades of technological optimizations. And they dont need lithium to be made and maintained.
- oxplot 4y ago
  > I can carry it on my magic carpet Oh I see. You're high out of your mind. Explains your other responses.
  - me_me_me 4y ago
    Oh I see you make effort to read someone's history of posts, explains a lot about you

mminer237 4y ago

The US has way more freight rail than other countries: https://www.nationmaster.com/nmx/ranking/volume-of-rail-freight-transport https://www.nationmaster.com/nmx/ranking/volume-of-rail-frei... Other countries need to use trains for bulk like the US does. Rail is just a lot more complex to plan for. You still need trucks for last-mile transport, so for the typical short haul it sometimes makes more sense to just drive to the destination directly. Then transporting by train just takes longer which isn't always acceptable. Sometimes you just need things there today/tomorrow.