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It all boils down, how well the users can be augmented, to wield ever more exponential powers. And that does not just include end-users, but governments (who ca

It all boils down, how well the users can be augmented, to wield ever more exponential powers. And that does not just include end-users, but governments (who can overrreact and become totalitarian) and meta-users, like cooperations and sub-societies.. The average human can not even remain peaceful after missing one meal. The average engages in ritualized combat between in and out groups like football teams or company competitors. At the moment, you do not want to hand this average human a flying car with a unlimited energy supply. You do not want to hand him devices, with which he can engage in information warfare. Now this very same human does not get better, just because they bundle together in groups that are government. They just decay different. So, what you want, is to hand this toddler from the djungle, limited technologies until the situation improves gradually. Solar instead of nuclear, bikes instead of cars, games to forget the world. And this change for a disability friendly world must feel intrinsic motivated.

nbzso 4y ago
>Solar instead of nuclear, bikes instead of cars, games to forget the world. This Davos plan will fail miserably. The hope is that the victim count of corporate fascism will be low. And this if we awake ourselves from the tech driven dystopia which is unfolding upon us with every minute.
- winReInstall 4y ago
  The alternative is full scale regression, aka world war 3. There is no way back to the world that was, even if all instincts yell at us to go there. We went to the trap door and cant retreat into the past. The physics of the situation do not bow to the powers of believe and wishfull thinking.
  - nbzso 4y ago
    Strongly disagree. And the war is ongoing since 2013. Ukraine's conflict is just a symptom and distraction for the masses. The real war is on the peripherals and monetary models.
    - ben_w 4y ago
      > Ukraine's conflict is just a symptom and distraction for the masses. I think that's limited to Russia and Russian masses. The rest of the world didn't want Russia to start with Crimea, told Russia that was bad and to stop at the time, saw the Russian buildup to the broader invasion this year and told Russia not to start anything new, supplied arms to Ukraine to help them defend themselves, and then cut Russia off from the world as fast as possible when Russia crossed the border that Russia denied they were going to cross. This is all on Russia. > The real war is on the peripherals and monetary models. That's like saying "the real Satanists are the Catholics and the Protestants".
      - nbzso 4y ago
        No. Russia and Putin are not the reasons behind the world crisis. They are just a symptom. But this is the ultimate scapegoat. COVID didn't succeed for the planned reset. This will do it. Surely.
        ben_w 4y ago
        > Russia and Putin are not the reasons behind the world crisis. They are just a symptom. No. They are neither. The Soviet Union fell, Putin (eventually) took over Russia, then took advantage of the corruption and stayed in power. He’s acting like a thug, but would’ve regardless of anyone or anything else. He’s not part of anyone else’s grand design, none of the other world leaders even like him, they just have a long-standing policy of not (openly) interfering with the internal affairs of other nations, and by “long-standing” I mean since 24 October 1648. No, that’s not a typo for 1948. > But this is the ultimate scapegoat. COVID didn't succeed for the planned reset. This will do it. Surely. What are you even talking about? Do you even know what The Great Reset is, or are you just referring to one of the many different and mutually incompatible things that various conspiracy theorists project onto the actual WEF goal of “stuff is bad, can we, like, not suck so much?” (A common goal, and a very difficult one; it’s not like either Karl Marx nor Adam Smith would disagree when phrased like that).
- ben_w 4y ago
  I have no idea what memes you're riffing on here, because dismissing something you call "this Davos plan" is absolutely pattern matching against a lot of different and mutually incompatible conspiracy theories. > And this if we awake ourselves from the tech driven dystopia which is unfolding upon us with every minute. I think the point of the comment you're replying to is that we won't, not by ourselves.
ben_w 4y ago
> Now this very same human does not get better, just because they bundle together in groups that are government. They just decay different. I think this is a bit too cynical. The difference of decay is an improvement — not enough to become angels, but it is still an improvement, even if only by giving us a bigger in-group.
- dv_dt 4y ago
  On one hand I agree with you that it's too cynical - but I also wonder if our current course is not easily shiftable. Particularly because we're at the end of a multi-decade technological and neoliberalized system approach that has gone from being neutral to support human social development to being almost actively hostile now (with only small more isolated counter currents). I wonder what we could do if we systematically moved forward in more intentional ways with more human-centered support and development.
hardnose 4y ago
Nerfing the world will only nerf it for the powerless. The power elites will always have full power devices, flying cars, all of that. There is no alternative to freedom.

nbzso 4y ago

>Solar instead of nuclear, bikes instead of cars, games to forget the world. This Davos plan will fail miserably. The hope is that the victim count of corporate fascism will be low. And this if we awake ourselves from the tech driven dystopia which is unfolding upon us with every minute.

winReInstall 4y ago
The alternative is full scale regression, aka world war 3. There is no way back to the world that was, even if all instincts yell at us to go there. We went to the trap door and cant retreat into the past. The physics of the situation do not bow to the powers of believe and wishfull thinking.
- nbzso 4y ago
  Strongly disagree. And the war is ongoing since 2013. Ukraine's conflict is just a symptom and distraction for the masses. The real war is on the peripherals and monetary models.
  - ben_w 4y ago
    > Ukraine's conflict is just a symptom and distraction for the masses. I think that's limited to Russia and Russian masses. The rest of the world didn't want Russia to start with Crimea, told Russia that was bad and to stop at the time, saw the Russian buildup to the broader invasion this year and told Russia not to start anything new, supplied arms to Ukraine to help them defend themselves, and then cut Russia off from the world as fast as possible when Russia crossed the border that Russia denied they were going to cross. This is all on Russia. > The real war is on the peripherals and monetary models. That's like saying "the real Satanists are the Catholics and the Protestants".
    - nbzso 4y ago
      No. Russia and Putin are not the reasons behind the world crisis. They are just a symptom. But this is the ultimate scapegoat. COVID didn't succeed for the planned reset. This will do it. Surely.
      - ben_w 4y ago
        > Russia and Putin are not the reasons behind the world crisis. They are just a symptom. No. They are neither. The Soviet Union fell, Putin (eventually) took over Russia, then took advantage of the corruption and stayed in power. He’s acting like a thug, but would’ve regardless of anyone or anything else. He’s not part of anyone else’s grand design, none of the other world leaders even like him, they just have a long-standing policy of not (openly) interfering with the internal affairs of other nations, and by “long-standing” I mean since 24 October 1648. No, that’s not a typo for 1948. > But this is the ultimate scapegoat. COVID didn't succeed for the planned reset. This will do it. Surely. What are you even talking about? Do you even know what The Great Reset is, or are you just referring to one of the many different and mutually incompatible things that various conspiracy theorists project onto the actual WEF goal of “stuff is bad, can we, like, not suck so much?” (A common goal, and a very difficult one; it’s not like either Karl Marx nor Adam Smith would disagree when phrased like that).
ben_w 4y ago
I have no idea what memes you're riffing on here, because dismissing something you call "this Davos plan" is absolutely pattern matching against a lot of different and mutually incompatible conspiracy theories. > And this if we awake ourselves from the tech driven dystopia which is unfolding upon us with every minute. I think the point of the comment you're replying to is that we won't, not by ourselves.

ben_w 4y ago

> Now this very same human does not get better, just because they bundle together in groups that are government. They just decay different. I think this is a bit too cynical. The difference of decay is an improvement — not enough to become angels, but it is still an improvement, even if only by giving us a bigger in-group.

dv_dt 4y ago
On one hand I agree with you that it's too cynical - but I also wonder if our current course is not easily shiftable. Particularly because we're at the end of a multi-decade technological and neoliberalized system approach that has gone from being neutral to support human social development to being almost actively hostile now (with only small more isolated counter currents). I wonder what we could do if we systematically moved forward in more intentional ways with more human-centered support and development.

hardnose 4y ago

Nerfing the world will only nerf it for the powerless. The power elites will always have full power devices, flying cars, all of that. There is no alternative to freedom.