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Some claim he's supporting racist conspiracy theories in their headlines. I'd say that's an attempt at canceling him. He's good at taking on the victim role tho

by bl0rg 4y ago

Some claim he's supporting racist conspiracy theories in their headlines. I'd say that's an attempt at canceling him. He's good at taking on the victim role though, I'll give you that.

boppo1 4y ago
How is he helping a racist conspiracy theory?
- bl0rg 4y ago
  Something about Atlanteans being white (I don't recall this ever being a point of Graham, and I don't think Plato mentioned it either) and bringing civilization to brown folk (who later brought it to white folk), implying that brown folk are lesser. Yeah, it's not their best work.
- 015a 4y ago
  Their argument is: 28 years ago, Graham wrote a book about this theory (Fingerprints of the Gods) where he used the language "ancient white civilization". Why precisely he used this language may require deeper research, but it was at-least in part because Quetzalcoatl was described in Aztec literature as being white (to my knowledge this is not controversial), and Graham believes that the Quetzalcoatl story isn't a myth or legend, but rather a spoken-word memory of a visitor from this more-ancient civilization. Part of his theory (which is well explained in the show) is that there are a handful of ancient cultures like the Aztecs who have stories of an "enlightened visitor" like Quetzalcoatl, bringing the knowledge necessary to elevate their cultures into organized society. In other words: these ancient cultures, who are mostly non-white, were "saved" by an ancient white civilization. Having followed him loosely since then: he does not use this language anymore; certainly not in Ancient Apocalypse. If, upon reading that, your conclusion is "mainstream academia may actually be out to get him": you're beginning to understand why people like Dr. Hoopes [1] just need to shut up, go outside, and find more actual evidence to disprove him. Slinging insults like that only adds credence to his statement that mainstream academia is out to get him, which by proximity adds credence to the rest of his theories. But, what he would say is: mainstream archaeology is a lot better at insulting and talking than they are at digging; and independent of his theories, there's substantial evidence to conclude this to be true. [1] https://boingboing.net/2022/11/27/archaeologists-reveal-the-white-supremacist-nonsense-behind-netflixs-ancient-apocalypse.html https://boingboing.net/2022/11/27/archaeologists-reveal-the-...
  - posterboy 4y ago
    > Part of his theory (which is well explained in the show) ... That's where scientific standards may differ. I cannot drop in to gather a couple of references and find more than a tinfoilhat lady and two hobby blogs that were likely set up to promote the show, I have no use for it. >... is that there are a handful of ancient cultures like the Aztecs who have stories of an "enlightened visitor" like Quetzalcoatl, It's a 50:50 chance it's black or white and that's heavily skewed by the sun in favor of brightness. > memories of an "enlightened visitor" like Quetzalcoatl, bringing the knowledge necessary to elevate their cultures into organized society. Yes, thank velociraptor our lord and savior! > In other words: these ancient cultures, who are mostly non-white, were "saved" by an ancient white civilization. No, no. Proper racism says they were white and got bastardised. But Hancock doesn't say anyhting like that other than what may be warranted by years in currect affairs economics, I guess. Christianity is based on the same stipulation but less technocratic, and it can be racist as hell, no doubt, but, well Oh, I guess you are right.
  - berry_sortoro 4y ago
enkid 4y ago
Is the conspiracy theory racist? If so, shouldn't be cancelled?
- posterboy 4y ago
epgui 4y ago
First, I don't think that's a correct characterization of the criticism made against him. It's a sloppy or somewhat dishonest spin. Second, IMO that's the weakest claim made against him, but in no way does that amount to canceling anyone or anything. Third, a little bit of proportionality is also in order: the request is for Netflix to reclassify the production as fiction, not to remove it. Even if the claim that this amounted to cancellation had merit (and I don't see how it does) it would still be quite the exaggeration. What's really happening here is that he's upset that adults are calling his work fiction. That's pretty much it.

by bl0rg 4y ago

Some claim he's supporting racist conspiracy theories in their headlines. I'd say that's an attempt at canceling him. He's good at taking on the victim role though, I'll give you that.

boppo1 4y ago

How is he helping a racist conspiracy theory?

bl0rg 4y ago
Something about Atlanteans being white (I don't recall this ever being a point of Graham, and I don't think Plato mentioned it either) and bringing civilization to brown folk (who later brought it to white folk), implying that brown folk are lesser. Yeah, it's not their best work.
015a 4y ago
Their argument is: 28 years ago, Graham wrote a book about this theory (Fingerprints of the Gods) where he used the language "ancient white civilization". Why precisely he used this language may require deeper research, but it was at-least in part because Quetzalcoatl was described in Aztec literature as being white (to my knowledge this is not controversial), and Graham believes that the Quetzalcoatl story isn't a myth or legend, but rather a spoken-word memory of a visitor from this more-ancient civilization. Part of his theory (which is well explained in the show) is that there are a handful of ancient cultures like the Aztecs who have stories of an "enlightened visitor" like Quetzalcoatl, bringing the knowledge necessary to elevate their cultures into organized society. In other words: these ancient cultures, who are mostly non-white, were "saved" by an ancient white civilization. Having followed him loosely since then: he does not use this language anymore; certainly not in Ancient Apocalypse. If, upon reading that, your conclusion is "mainstream academia may actually be out to get him": you're beginning to understand why people like Dr. Hoopes [1] just need to shut up, go outside, and find more actual evidence to disprove him. Slinging insults like that only adds credence to his statement that mainstream academia is out to get him, which by proximity adds credence to the rest of his theories. But, what he would say is: mainstream archaeology is a lot better at insulting and talking than they are at digging; and independent of his theories, there's substantial evidence to conclude this to be true. [1] https://boingboing.net/2022/11/27/archaeologists-reveal-the-white-supremacist-nonsense-behind-netflixs-ancient-apocalypse.html https://boingboing.net/2022/11/27/archaeologists-reveal-the-...
- posterboy 4y ago
  > Part of his theory (which is well explained in the show) ... That's where scientific standards may differ. I cannot drop in to gather a couple of references and find more than a tinfoilhat lady and two hobby blogs that were likely set up to promote the show, I have no use for it. >... is that there are a handful of ancient cultures like the Aztecs who have stories of an "enlightened visitor" like Quetzalcoatl, It's a 50:50 chance it's black or white and that's heavily skewed by the sun in favor of brightness. > memories of an "enlightened visitor" like Quetzalcoatl, bringing the knowledge necessary to elevate their cultures into organized society. Yes, thank velociraptor our lord and savior! > In other words: these ancient cultures, who are mostly non-white, were "saved" by an ancient white civilization. No, no. Proper racism says they were white and got bastardised. But Hancock doesn't say anyhting like that other than what may be warranted by years in currect affairs economics, I guess. Christianity is based on the same stipulation but less technocratic, and it can be racist as hell, no doubt, but, well Oh, I guess you are right.
- berry_sortoro 4y ago

enkid 4y ago

Is the conspiracy theory racist? If so, shouldn't be cancelled?

posterboy 4y ago

epgui 4y ago

First, I don't think that's a correct characterization of the criticism made against him. It's a sloppy or somewhat dishonest spin. Second, IMO that's the weakest claim made against him, but in no way does that amount to canceling anyone or anything. Third, a little bit of proportionality is also in order: the request is for Netflix to reclassify the production as fiction, not to remove it. Even if the claim that this amounted to cancellation had merit (and I don't see how it does) it would still be quite the exaggeration. What's really happening here is that he's upset that adults are calling his work fiction. That's pretty much it.