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Firstly, it's difficult to talk about this because discussing anything the media wilfully chooses to ignore sounds like a conspiracy theory (media self-censorsh

Firstly, it's difficult to talk about this because discussing anything the media wilfully chooses to ignore sounds like a conspiracy theory (media self-censorship is incredibly powerful). Secondly just because something reflects badly on the Democrat party doesn't mean it's a "right-wing narrative". If one team does something bad, then of course they are going to try to cover it up, and it's up to the opposing team to hold them to account. This is human nature, and this is what democracy is designed to compensate for. One of Hunter Biden's business partners confirmed Joe Biden was the "Big Guy". I believe also there was some discussion in the emails on Hunters laptop of the need distance themselves from Joe Biden at least publically. Trump is not relevant to whether Joe Biden is corrupt is or not. He is also not relevant as to whether the media should cover important stories that aren't about Trump. Need to get away from this idea that the Dems can do whatever they want "because Trump".

ModernMech 4y ago
> Firstly, it's difficult to talk about this because discussing anything the media wilfully chooses to ignore sounds like a conspiracy theory Then just stick to the facts. > Secondly just because something reflects badly on the Democrat party doesn't mean it's a "right-wing narrative" It’s a narrative precisely because the story you presented is ahead of the facts. You’re telling the story you want to tell and backfilling it in with facts as necessary when they become available, making omissions as necessary. The problem with this is you’ll keep telling this story like the facts support it even if they never come. > One of Hunter Biden's business partners confirmed Joe Biden was the "Big Guy". I wasn’t aware this was confirmed, but unfortunately all this proves is that someone was trying to gain access to Joe Biden. Not exactly surprising. Showing Joe Biden was receptive to the overture is much harder to prove. > Trump is not relevant to whether Joe Biden is corrupt is or not. One thing I have said and I will keep saying is that if Hunter did something wrong he should be investigated and prosecuted. If Joe Biden did something wrong he should be investigated and prosecuted as well. I haven’t met a single left leaning person who disagrees with me there. (And believe me, I’m no fan of Joe Biden, he was like my 6th choice). In that sense you’re right, it doesn’t matter what Trump has done. But not all corruption is equal, and Republicans have spent the last 7 years excusing and equivocating some of the most egregious examples of corruption I’ve ever seen. So now they are out there saying we should all be very concerned about Joe Biden’s corruption. Their problem is that we can pull up any number of sound bytes from the same people excusing Trump’s corruption. Hell, we just have to use Trump’s own impeachment argument against them: if the executive believes what he is doing is for the benefit of the country, then his motives cannot be corrupt, even in the case of extorting a bribe as Trump did. Republicans bought that argument and in doing so set a precedent. To me, this shows the outrage is all just political theatre, on the order of Benghazi, election denial, Whitewater/Clinton impeachment, or the Hillary Clinton emails. > Need to get away from this idea that the Dems can do whatever they want "because Trump". I believe in equal justice under the law, one of the foundational pillars of democracy. If Trump can get away with crimes but Biden is prosecuted for the same, this is actually a miscarriage of justice and a danger to democracy. Either the law is applied equally to everyone, or it is applied to no one.
- lazyeye 4y ago
  Well Trump has a few investigations going so hopefully next year the Dems will be rendered impotent and unable to bury the Hunter Biden investigation. I've always considered the Dems to be incredibly corrupt. I dont really know what Trump has or hasn't done because my only sources are the media and the media is garbage. But for me the Democrats politicizing/weaponizing the FBI/Justice system for example, is way more corrupt than whatever stupid real-estate developer BS Trump has done (if he has in fact, done something). The long-term impact of this kind of behaviour is incredibly corrosive to democracy. Outsourcing your breaches of the constitution to private enterprise (suppressing free speech totally legal!!) would be another. I know, more "right-wing narratives blah blah etc".
  - ModernMech 4y ago
    > I've always considered the Dems to be incredibly corrupt. I dont really know what Trump has or hasn't done because my only sources are the media and the media is garbage. Okay, then stick to primary sources who are Republican. The Mueller Report was authored by Republican Robert Mueller, was authorized and overseen by Republican Rod Rosenstein and was signed off by Republican Bill Barr. It details that Russia hacked the Democrats in 2016, attacked the 2016 election, and Trump obstructed the investigation into said hacking. Or read the Senate Intel report on Russia, authored by the Republican senate and chaired by Republican Marco Rubio. It shows that Trump’s campaign collaborated with a Russian Intel officer to exchange day during the 2016 election. Or look at primary sources like court filings. When you say the Dems have politicized the Doj and FBI, I’m assuming you’re talking about the recent raids on Trump’s home. But wouldn’t you agree that if the raid was properly authorized by a judge based on the facts, that wouldn’t be politicization? Since the raid, the DOJ has won in court over and over again as Trump has challenged the basis of the raid. The only wins he has gotten have been overturned on appeal, with those decisions saying that Judge Aileen Cannon (who Trump appointed and forum shopped to hear his case) abused her power in deciding for Trump. Or take the January 6 insurrection. If you don’t trust Democrats about that day, just listen to Republicans. The 1/6 hearings had testimony from 90% Republicans — from Republican staffers to Republican political operatives to life-long Republican politicians (maybe some you’ve voted for). Their testimony shows Trump planned and was responsible for that day. At this point if you don’t know who Trump is and what he’s done, that’s not on the Dems or the media. That’s on you for not paying attention. > Outsourcing your breaches of the constitution to private enterprise (suppressing free speech totally legal!!) would be another. You do realize Matt Tiabbi says in his story the Trump admin was doing the same thing as the Biden Campaign. If you think what Biden did was violating the constitution by outsourcing, you must think the same of Trump and Republicans. Anything less and you’re being intellectually dishonest with yourself.

ModernMech 4y ago

> Firstly, it's difficult to talk about this because discussing anything the media wilfully chooses to ignore sounds like a conspiracy theory Then just stick to the facts. > Secondly just because something reflects badly on the Democrat party doesn't mean it's a "right-wing narrative" It’s a narrative precisely because the story you presented is ahead of the facts. You’re telling the story you want to tell and backfilling it in with facts as necessary when they become available, making omissions as necessary. The problem with this is you’ll keep telling this story like the facts support it even if they never come. > One of Hunter Biden's business partners confirmed Joe Biden was the "Big Guy". I wasn’t aware this was confirmed, but unfortunately all this proves is that someone was trying to gain access to Joe Biden. Not exactly surprising. Showing Joe Biden was receptive to the overture is much harder to prove. > Trump is not relevant to whether Joe Biden is corrupt is or not. One thing I have said and I will keep saying is that if Hunter did something wrong he should be investigated and prosecuted. If Joe Biden did something wrong he should be investigated and prosecuted as well. I haven’t met a single left leaning person who disagrees with me there. (And believe me, I’m no fan of Joe Biden, he was like my 6th choice). In that sense you’re right, it doesn’t matter what Trump has done. But not all corruption is equal, and Republicans have spent the last 7 years excusing and equivocating some of the most egregious examples of corruption I’ve ever seen. So now they are out there saying we should all be very concerned about Joe Biden’s corruption. Their problem is that we can pull up any number of sound bytes from the same people excusing Trump’s corruption. Hell, we just have to use Trump’s own impeachment argument against them: if the executive believes what he is doing is for the benefit of the country, then his motives cannot be corrupt, even in the case of extorting a bribe as Trump did. Republicans bought that argument and in doing so set a precedent. To me, this shows the outrage is all just political theatre, on the order of Benghazi, election denial, Whitewater/Clinton impeachment, or the Hillary Clinton emails. > Need to get away from this idea that the Dems can do whatever they want "because Trump". I believe in equal justice under the law, one of the foundational pillars of democracy. If Trump can get away with crimes but Biden is prosecuted for the same, this is actually a miscarriage of justice and a danger to democracy. Either the law is applied equally to everyone, or it is applied to no one.

lazyeye 4y ago
Well Trump has a few investigations going so hopefully next year the Dems will be rendered impotent and unable to bury the Hunter Biden investigation. I've always considered the Dems to be incredibly corrupt. I dont really know what Trump has or hasn't done because my only sources are the media and the media is garbage. But for me the Democrats politicizing/weaponizing the FBI/Justice system for example, is way more corrupt than whatever stupid real-estate developer BS Trump has done (if he has in fact, done something). The long-term impact of this kind of behaviour is incredibly corrosive to democracy. Outsourcing your breaches of the constitution to private enterprise (suppressing free speech totally legal!!) would be another. I know, more "right-wing narratives blah blah etc".
- ModernMech 4y ago
  > I've always considered the Dems to be incredibly corrupt. I dont really know what Trump has or hasn't done because my only sources are the media and the media is garbage. Okay, then stick to primary sources who are Republican. The Mueller Report was authored by Republican Robert Mueller, was authorized and overseen by Republican Rod Rosenstein and was signed off by Republican Bill Barr. It details that Russia hacked the Democrats in 2016, attacked the 2016 election, and Trump obstructed the investigation into said hacking. Or read the Senate Intel report on Russia, authored by the Republican senate and chaired by Republican Marco Rubio. It shows that Trump’s campaign collaborated with a Russian Intel officer to exchange day during the 2016 election. Or look at primary sources like court filings. When you say the Dems have politicized the Doj and FBI, I’m assuming you’re talking about the recent raids on Trump’s home. But wouldn’t you agree that if the raid was properly authorized by a judge based on the facts, that wouldn’t be politicization? Since the raid, the DOJ has won in court over and over again as Trump has challenged the basis of the raid. The only wins he has gotten have been overturned on appeal, with those decisions saying that Judge Aileen Cannon (who Trump appointed and forum shopped to hear his case) abused her power in deciding for Trump. Or take the January 6 insurrection. If you don’t trust Democrats about that day, just listen to Republicans. The 1/6 hearings had testimony from 90% Republicans — from Republican staffers to Republican political operatives to life-long Republican politicians (maybe some you’ve voted for). Their testimony shows Trump planned and was responsible for that day. At this point if you don’t know who Trump is and what he’s done, that’s not on the Dems or the media. That’s on you for not paying attention. > Outsourcing your breaches of the constitution to private enterprise (suppressing free speech totally legal!!) would be another. You do realize Matt Tiabbi says in his story the Trump admin was doing the same thing as the Biden Campaign. If you think what Biden did was violating the constitution by outsourcing, you must think the same of Trump and Republicans. Anything less and you’re being intellectually dishonest with yourself.