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I'm using the X1 Carbon Gen 9 with openSUSE Tumbleweed (Plasma) > Can you navigate with two fingers in a web browser? On Firefox, two fingers to the left does

by jraph 4y ago

I'm using the X1 Carbon Gen 9 with openSUSE Tumbleweed (Plasma) > Can you navigate with two fingers in a web browser? On Firefox, two fingers to the left does previous, two fingers to the right does next (if you are not in a horizontally scrollable area, in which case it scrolls). Two fingers to the top or the bottom scrolls (pixel perfect). Kinetic scroll works. Pinch to zoom works (at long last!! I think it started working a year ago or something). > How is text selection? Or selecting a sentence out of a long paragraph, etc? I select whatever I want to select with ease. I go to the first word I want to select, double-tap, move to the last word. The text autoscrolls if I go to an edge if it's a long chunk of text. Triple tap to select entire paragraphs. D&D works quite well too. I'm very happy with the precision with both my HP Elitebook 840 G6 and My Carbon X1. They both have a huge, reliable touchpad. I've never tried a Mac seriously though. > how many hours do you actually get? 10-11h if I pay attention. 6-7h easily. (i7 and 32G of RAM). I hope it will improve. The touchscreen on both machines is surprisingly usable and useful. Both machine are quiet, and they are totally silent if I'm just typing or browsing the web. The fans can spin up during a video call or compile something for a long time, but that can be prevented if needed by forcing the powersave mode using KDE's UI for this.

FunnyLookinHat 4y ago
+1 to all of this, and adding in that I use the Gen 10 on Pop OS and it works just as well. The default trackpoint accel is a bit much for me, so I just have this set to run on login: > xinput set-prop 'TPPS/2 Elan TrackPoint' 'libinput Accel Speed' -0.55
Hellion 4y ago
Apple has really set the standard on battery life - 10-11 hours would be considered on the short end for any modem Mac laptop. My air performs on par with some high end ultrabooks, yet easily does 12+ hours on a single charge. I usually have the brightness turned up quite a bit as well. It’s stunning how far apple is ahead of the pack right now, I really hope the others catch up
- elabajaba 4y ago
  AMD's 5000 and 6000 series CPUs are much more power efficient (6000 series being near m1 levels of efficiency) than Intel's current offerings. Linux also tends to be quite a bit worse for battery life than Windows.
  - yaantc 4y ago
    > Linux also tends to be quite a bit worse for battery life than Windows. With a manual stock distro installation maybe, as the defaults are very conservative. But just install the "tlp" package (the laptop project) and the situation flips. At least that's my experience at work based on Dell Latitude laptops and Thinkpads T before. My battery life is way above my Windows using colleagues, and my fans are mostly off (unless big compilation or test runs) instead of mostly on. Of course it's very likely due to the anti-virus, but that's part of the corporate Windows experience nowadays.
    - aussiesnack 4y ago
      Currently f/t linux user, been using it on and off on multiple laptops for 2 decades. Not once, regardless of tlp and other tweaks and many hours of twiddling and forum-reading and keeping stats for weeks on end, has Linux ever approached Windows' battery life on the same machine. I don't know how to relate that to your experience, other than to say that (1) I'm closer to comparing like with like (same user, same machine) and (2) every other linux user I've personally known has found the same as me. Given the appalling and deteriorating state of desktop OS's, it seems unlikely I'll ever use anything other than Linux again. But I don't believe it will ever catch up with either Windows or MacOS on battery life. I just accept that as something I"ll have to live with.
      - bombela 4y ago
        I concur. On my Thinkpad T14 gen2, I have accepted I maybe get 3h of battery on a good day. The battery is half the size of the lastest MacBook sure. But much less than half the battery life. I don't have suspend issues. I am probably lucky. I wouldn't code on anything else than Linux. But I got myself to enjoy CAD work on my gaming computer running windows. Not that windows is great. It's horrible. But because on windows the GPU and mouse acceleration works flawlessly and feels like an extension of my mind. On Linux somehow it is not as smooth. Mac feels sluggish too. As if there is some lag? But moving the mouse on windows feels just right (and yes I tried same hardware on windows / Linux). I hate macos. It's buggy and slow. The touchpad is stupidly big. But precision is fantastic. It's an insult to everybody else really. Thinkpad touchpad is an insult of insult. People designing that crap should go to jail for the amount of time they waste on humanity.
mhitza 4y ago
What's the battery capacity and what does powertop report as a discharge rate for casual normal web browsing and hd video playback in a separate tab? (mine is 9 - 14 W) I've never used a laptop with Linux that could stay unplugged for more than 3 hours, using a tlp configuration as well. (ignoring any laptop that can have an XXL battery which sticks out of it's standard frame).
rst 4y ago
Does it heat up while sleeping? (I may be in the market for a new machine, but reports of laptops cooking themselves on "modern standby" are... off-putting
- jraph 4y ago
  No. It works fine. I put my computer to sleep rather than turning it off usually, sometimes unplugged. My bios is up to date (fwupd can be used to update it). You need to leave the Linux S3 mode disabled in the BIOS though, it's broken (or maybe they fixed it, but I haven't tried recently, the "modern standby" seems to work correctly on Linux now, at least on my machines)
ChuckNorris89 4y ago
>I'm using the X1 Carbon Gen 9 with openSUSE Tumbleweed (Plasma) ... Kinetic scroll works. Pinch to zoom works (at long last!! I think it started working a year ago or something) May I please ask, are you on Wayland or X11? In my experience that variable makes the biggest difference in touchpad behavior on Linux.

by jraph 4y ago

FunnyLookinHat 4y ago

+1 to all of this, and adding in that I use the Gen 10 on Pop OS and it works just as well. The default trackpoint accel is a bit much for me, so I just have this set to run on login: > xinput set-prop 'TPPS/2 Elan TrackPoint' 'libinput Accel Speed' -0.55

Hellion 4y ago

Apple has really set the standard on battery life - 10-11 hours would be considered on the short end for any modem Mac laptop. My air performs on par with some high end ultrabooks, yet easily does 12+ hours on a single charge. I usually have the brightness turned up quite a bit as well. It’s stunning how far apple is ahead of the pack right now, I really hope the others catch up

elabajaba 4y ago
AMD's 5000 and 6000 series CPUs are much more power efficient (6000 series being near m1 levels of efficiency) than Intel's current offerings. Linux also tends to be quite a bit worse for battery life than Windows.
- yaantc 4y ago
  > Linux also tends to be quite a bit worse for battery life than Windows. With a manual stock distro installation maybe, as the defaults are very conservative. But just install the "tlp" package (the laptop project) and the situation flips. At least that's my experience at work based on Dell Latitude laptops and Thinkpads T before. My battery life is way above my Windows using colleagues, and my fans are mostly off (unless big compilation or test runs) instead of mostly on. Of course it's very likely due to the anti-virus, but that's part of the corporate Windows experience nowadays.
  - aussiesnack 4y ago
    Currently f/t linux user, been using it on and off on multiple laptops for 2 decades. Not once, regardless of tlp and other tweaks and many hours of twiddling and forum-reading and keeping stats for weeks on end, has Linux ever approached Windows' battery life on the same machine. I don't know how to relate that to your experience, other than to say that (1) I'm closer to comparing like with like (same user, same machine) and (2) every other linux user I've personally known has found the same as me. Given the appalling and deteriorating state of desktop OS's, it seems unlikely I'll ever use anything other than Linux again. But I don't believe it will ever catch up with either Windows or MacOS on battery life. I just accept that as something I"ll have to live with.
    - bombela 4y ago
      I concur. On my Thinkpad T14 gen2, I have accepted I maybe get 3h of battery on a good day. The battery is half the size of the lastest MacBook sure. But much less than half the battery life. I don't have suspend issues. I am probably lucky. I wouldn't code on anything else than Linux. But I got myself to enjoy CAD work on my gaming computer running windows. Not that windows is great. It's horrible. But because on windows the GPU and mouse acceleration works flawlessly and feels like an extension of my mind. On Linux somehow it is not as smooth. Mac feels sluggish too. As if there is some lag? But moving the mouse on windows feels just right (and yes I tried same hardware on windows / Linux). I hate macos. It's buggy and slow. The touchpad is stupidly big. But precision is fantastic. It's an insult to everybody else really. Thinkpad touchpad is an insult of insult. People designing that crap should go to jail for the amount of time they waste on humanity.

mhitza 4y ago

What's the battery capacity and what does powertop report as a discharge rate for casual normal web browsing and hd video playback in a separate tab? (mine is 9 - 14 W) I've never used a laptop with Linux that could stay unplugged for more than 3 hours, using a tlp configuration as well. (ignoring any laptop that can have an XXL battery which sticks out of it's standard frame).

rst 4y ago

Does it heat up while sleeping? (I may be in the market for a new machine, but reports of laptops cooking themselves on "modern standby" are... off-putting

jraph 4y ago
No. It works fine. I put my computer to sleep rather than turning it off usually, sometimes unplugged. My bios is up to date (fwupd can be used to update it). You need to leave the Linux S3 mode disabled in the BIOS though, it's broken (or maybe they fixed it, but I haven't tried recently, the "modern standby" seems to work correctly on Linux now, at least on my machines)

ChuckNorris89 4y ago

>I'm using the X1 Carbon Gen 9 with openSUSE Tumbleweed (Plasma) ... Kinetic scroll works. Pinch to zoom works (at long last!! I think it started working a year ago or something) May I please ask, are you on Wayland or X11? In my experience that variable makes the biggest difference in touchpad behavior on Linux.