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Robert C. Martin has ruined so many mid organizations it's kind of funny

teddyh 4y ago
If you want your criticism to be taken seriously, please be specific. There is apparently a large group of people who hate everything he does and also, seemingly, him personally. Everywhere he (or any of his books) is mentioned, the haters come out, with their vague “it’s all bad” and the old standard “I don’t know where to begin”. Serious criticism can be found (if you look for it), and he himself welcomes it, but the constant vague hate is scary to see.
- tester756 4y ago
  Years wasted on having to convincing people that "comments are viable" because they misunderstood Clean Code
  - teddyh 4y ago
    Sounds like people being stupid? I mean, he never says that comments are not viable: like you say, they misunderstand the book.
  - tmaly 4y ago
    On that one point, he should issue clarification and release a new version.
    - teddyh 4y ago
      Have you read the book? I checked it now, and I think he expresses himself quite clearly.
      - tmaly 4y ago
        Yes, I have read it. But it seems that people have confusion over this part.
        teddyh 4y ago
        I’m not sure how he could have expressed himself any more clearly, so I don’t know what such a “clarification” would entail.
- cokeandpepsi 4y ago
  I don't hate everything he does and I'd imagine he's probably an interesting guy to chat with there is a subset of 'clean code' fanatics who treat his work as religious text and tend to produce some of the most bloated unmanagable code bases I've run into I wouldn't even say his work is valueless but it's a horrible starting point and shouldn't be a destiation
  - teddyh 4y ago
    Again, criticism without any specifics. And people misinterpreting and doing bad things (which he would agree is bad), is that his fault?
pushedx 4y ago
Having never read Clean Code, why do you say that?
- Chris_Newton 4y ago
  Someone wrote a lengthy and detailed critique of Clean Code a little while back: https://qntm.org/clean https://qntm.org/clean As someone who also recommends against improving developers reading Clean Code, I think the arguments in that piece are generally on point.

If you want your criticism to be taken seriously, please be specific. There is apparently a large group of people who hate everything he does and also, seemingly, him personally. Everywhere he (or any of his books) is mentioned, the haters come out, with their vague “it’s all bad” and the old standard “I don’t know where to begin”. Serious criticism can be found (if you look for it), and he himself welcomes it, but the constant vague hate is scary to see.

tester756 4y ago
Years wasted on having to convincing people that "comments are viable" because they misunderstood Clean Code
- teddyh 4y ago
  Sounds like people being stupid? I mean, he never says that comments are not viable: like you say, they misunderstand the book.
- tmaly 4y ago
  On that one point, he should issue clarification and release a new version.
  - teddyh 4y ago
    Have you read the book? I checked it now, and I think he expresses himself quite clearly.
    - tmaly 4y ago
      Yes, I have read it. But it seems that people have confusion over this part.
      - teddyh 4y ago
        I’m not sure how he could have expressed himself any more clearly, so I don’t know what such a “clarification” would entail.
cokeandpepsi 4y ago
I don't hate everything he does and I'd imagine he's probably an interesting guy to chat with there is a subset of 'clean code' fanatics who treat his work as religious text and tend to produce some of the most bloated unmanagable code bases I've run into I wouldn't even say his work is valueless but it's a horrible starting point and shouldn't be a destiation
- teddyh 4y ago
  Again, criticism without any specifics. And people misinterpreting and doing bad things (which he would agree is bad), is that his fault?

pushedx 4y ago

Having never read Clean Code, why do you say that?

Chris_Newton 4y ago
Someone wrote a lengthy and detailed critique of Clean Code a little while back: https://qntm.org/clean https://qntm.org/clean As someone who also recommends against improving developers reading Clean Code, I think the arguments in that piece are generally on point.