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>if you are an experienced dev But OP explicitly said they had little experience in this area. They also presumably have a technical career and are awash in t

by jcims 4y ago

>if you are an experienced dev But OP explicitly said they had little experience in this area. They also presumably have a technical career and are awash in the ways of Google. I'm in a similar situation to GP and have gone down that very path with React and whatnot. It's like you're starting a rodeo off the bull and have to figure out how to get back on. It's a terrible experience and you're left infuriated at a faceless collective that carelessly makes getting started so difficult.

weatherlite 4y ago
An experienced dev can work something out even if its not his main stack. I could probably get something very basic done in Swift or Android despite never doing it. Experienced devs are just good in reading documentation and having a general understanding of how things should work.
- layla5alive 4y ago
  Totally, and it seems like ChatGPT almost does the experienced dev work here for a junior developer - impressive. But much like you need to cause some stress to a muscle to cause it to grow, junior developers historically needed to get experienced at finding some of the solutions to their own pain to become really experienced developers... It seems like ChatGPT may cut that form of growth out of the cycle... I wonder about the implications of this... Junior devs will progress more quickly, but they will also grow less of their own skills and be very reliant on ChatGPT - like an exoskeleton for their development skills. I guess that will be great for OpenAI if they can charge a hefty monthly fee... I'd still rather max out my own skills before relying on an exoskeleton (once I've maxed myself out sure, give me the exoskeleton, and let's see what it can do), but maybe I'm too old fashioned...
  - RogerL 4y ago
    replace chat GPT with slide rule and calculator and you have the endless arguments made against calculators in the 70s. change it to typewriters in word processors and you have all the hand ringing in the early '80s about how writing was going to be destroyed by easy copy paste. That isn't a proof that your argument is wrong of course, but it is very suggestive to me. I typed this with text to speech, another thing we were confidently told would never work
  - alphydan 4y ago
    I hear you. Developers these days. They wear the crutches and exoskeletons of interpreted languages. Real senior devs. only write in assembly. /s Why is one abstraction more "true", "less creative" or more "strong muscle" than another?

by jcims 4y ago

weatherlite 4y ago

An experienced dev can work something out even if its not his main stack. I could probably get something very basic done in Swift or Android despite never doing it. Experienced devs are just good in reading documentation and having a general understanding of how things should work.

layla5alive 4y ago
Totally, and it seems like ChatGPT almost does the experienced dev work here for a junior developer - impressive. But much like you need to cause some stress to a muscle to cause it to grow, junior developers historically needed to get experienced at finding some of the solutions to their own pain to become really experienced developers... It seems like ChatGPT may cut that form of growth out of the cycle... I wonder about the implications of this... Junior devs will progress more quickly, but they will also grow less of their own skills and be very reliant on ChatGPT - like an exoskeleton for their development skills. I guess that will be great for OpenAI if they can charge a hefty monthly fee... I'd still rather max out my own skills before relying on an exoskeleton (once I've maxed myself out sure, give me the exoskeleton, and let's see what it can do), but maybe I'm too old fashioned...
- RogerL 4y ago
  replace chat GPT with slide rule and calculator and you have the endless arguments made against calculators in the 70s. change it to typewriters in word processors and you have all the hand ringing in the early '80s about how writing was going to be destroyed by easy copy paste. That isn't a proof that your argument is wrong of course, but it is very suggestive to me. I typed this with text to speech, another thing we were confidently told would never work
- alphydan 4y ago
  I hear you. Developers these days. They wear the crutches and exoskeletons of interpreted languages. Real senior devs. only write in assembly. /s Why is one abstraction more "true", "less creative" or more "strong muscle" than another?