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> "Google is searching in index using keywords and rankings, ChatGPT is predicting plausible words without searching anything anywhere." Expand your scope to

> "Google is searching in index using keywords and rankings, ChatGPT is predicting plausible words without searching anything anywhere." Expand your scope to both Google, and the creation of an ecosystem of SEO pages which Google incentives. They are the same, in totality. Google doesn't just index -- it also funds the creation of landing pages. > "There is distinction between indexing human knowledge ... and creating statistics model between words and making things up that never existed and are wrong " It's a false distinction. Google is more than a search engine; it is also an advertising company that incentivizes original content creation with the express intent of providing answers to queries.

lossolo 4y ago
> It's a false distinction. Google is more than a search engine; it is also an advertising company that incentivizes original content creation. Obvious straw man argument. Replace word google with search engine. > Expand your scope to both Google, and the creation of an ecosystem of SEO pages which Google incentives. They are the same, in totality. Google doesn't just index -- it also funds the creation of landing pages. This doesn't matter, you are mistaking dataset with the model. Search engine will not return to you things that were not in dataset, it will give you many results that you can judge with many points of reference. Language model will return you one answer, answer that could be a correct result that is inside the dataset or could be totally false and incorrect but plausible and you will have no point of reference to check that unless you use a real search engine.
- throwaway09223 4y ago
  > "Replace word google with search engine." No, I don't think I will. We are talking about the system as a whole. > " Search engine will not return to you things that were not in dataset" Yes it will, because the Google/SEO dynamic is in large part about incentivizing the generation of new content. I understand you want to narrowly define away this fact to make a point, but the fact stands.

lossolo 4y ago

> It's a false distinction. Google is more than a search engine; it is also an advertising company that incentivizes original content creation. Obvious straw man argument. Replace word google with search engine. > Expand your scope to both Google, and the creation of an ecosystem of SEO pages which Google incentives. They are the same, in totality. Google doesn't just index -- it also funds the creation of landing pages. This doesn't matter, you are mistaking dataset with the model. Search engine will not return to you things that were not in dataset, it will give you many results that you can judge with many points of reference. Language model will return you one answer, answer that could be a correct result that is inside the dataset or could be totally false and incorrect but plausible and you will have no point of reference to check that unless you use a real search engine.

throwaway09223 4y ago
> "Replace word google with search engine." No, I don't think I will. We are talking about the system as a whole. > " Search engine will not return to you things that were not in dataset" Yes it will, because the Google/SEO dynamic is in large part about incentivizing the generation of new content. I understand you want to narrowly define away this fact to make a point, but the fact stands.