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Well, guess the genie's out of the bottle and we can never stop this. Bow down to the inevitability of technological progress, Luddites! Good luck retraining in

Well, guess the genie's out of the bottle and we can never stop this. Bow down to the inevitability of technological progress, Luddites! Good luck retraining into a new job, I hear "prompt engineer automation" is the new hotness. Or at least that's what all of you kept telling me when I was expressing my unhappiness at the way corporate-sponsored image generating black boxes are built atop a shaky moral foundation that sure feels like it's ignoring anything anyone talking about "fair use" ever dreamed of, and at the way I fear it's going to hollow out a ton of the beginner-pro jobs of my industry by making it super easy for anyone to generate stuff that is kinda fundamentally shitty in a lot of important ways, but "good enough" if you just have a space to fill with some decoration that you don't really give a crap about.

wslh 4y ago
There is no genie here, some people have a belief about this while it is very easy to probe the low quality and inaccuracy of the responses.
- Ancalagon 4y ago
  Can you give some examples of the low quality/incorrect responses? Then try remedying those by rephrasing the prompts? I’m curious what the actual limitations are.
  - wslh 4y ago
    https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33840405 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33840405
    - Ancalagon 4y ago
      Very cool, thank you!
boppo1 4y ago
Artisans lost that battle 100 years ago with the rise of modernism.
convexfunction 4y ago
At this point, I truly don't know which of your(?) current type of applied arts vs my current type of software development will turn out to be more sensitive to technological unemployment, or on what margins and time scales. So, hopefully this doesn't strike you as callous, since I think it applies to me as much as it does to you or your coworkers: Roughly everyone who makes money has the same job, which is creating value in expectation for someone else. (Whether that activity is net good for society is a different question, I lean toward usually yes for stuff you can do legally, not always though). If you find yourself suddenly unable to give anyone a competitive deal on whatever expected value you know how to create, because of technological developments or otherwise, well, you'd better figure out what you need to change about what you're offering so you can. I wouldn't call this fair, exactly -- maybe it would be if you or your government had effective "technological unemployment insurance" -- but I struggle to imagine any substantially different state of affairs that's clearly better for the world. (No points for saying "imagine communism then".)
sydd 4y ago
No, you are washing lots of topics together. Just because it AI, its not the same. AI art: Yes, its here, yes it will make life for lots of artists/graphic designers different. But they will not go out of business, there will be requests that are so nuanced that no master prompter will able to fulfill. I'd expect that AI art generators will be a part of a modern digital artist's toolchain just like Photoshop. Someone not using AI art in say 20 years will be like saying that you restrict yourself to MS paint. AI for code: We might see something similar just to a lesser degree. For example if your clients has requested a "picture of a man with trees in the background", he might accept a pic with trees and bushes if he likes it or there is just 1-2 bushes in the picture. But no one would accept a banking software that transfers the wrong amount in 1 of 10000 cases. Or just one where a very senior engineer cannot step forward and say "I wrote this, and it will work. If it doesnt I will fix it"

wslh 4y ago

There is no genie here, some people have a belief about this while it is very easy to probe the low quality and inaccuracy of the responses.

Ancalagon 4y ago
Can you give some examples of the low quality/incorrect responses? Then try remedying those by rephrasing the prompts? I’m curious what the actual limitations are.
- wslh 4y ago
  https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33840405 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33840405
  - Ancalagon 4y ago
    Very cool, thank you!

boppo1 4y ago

Artisans lost that battle 100 years ago with the rise of modernism.

convexfunction 4y ago

At this point, I truly don't know which of your(?) current type of applied arts vs my current type of software development will turn out to be more sensitive to technological unemployment, or on what margins and time scales. So, hopefully this doesn't strike you as callous, since I think it applies to me as much as it does to you or your coworkers: Roughly everyone who makes money has the same job, which is creating value in expectation for someone else. (Whether that activity is net good for society is a different question, I lean toward usually yes for stuff you can do legally, not always though). If you find yourself suddenly unable to give anyone a competitive deal on whatever expected value you know how to create, because of technological developments or otherwise, well, you'd better figure out what you need to change about what you're offering so you can. I wouldn't call this fair, exactly -- maybe it would be if you or your government had effective "technological unemployment insurance" -- but I struggle to imagine any substantially different state of affairs that's clearly better for the world. (No points for saying "imagine communism then".)

sydd 4y ago

No, you are washing lots of topics together. Just because it AI, its not the same. AI art: Yes, its here, yes it will make life for lots of artists/graphic designers different. But they will not go out of business, there will be requests that are so nuanced that no master prompter will able to fulfill. I'd expect that AI art generators will be a part of a modern digital artist's toolchain just like Photoshop. Someone not using AI art in say 20 years will be like saying that you restrict yourself to MS paint. AI for code: We might see something similar just to a lesser degree. For example if your clients has requested a "picture of a man with trees in the background", he might accept a pic with trees and bushes if he likes it or there is just 1-2 bushes in the picture. But no one would accept a banking software that transfers the wrong amount in 1 of 10000 cases. Or just one where a very senior engineer cannot step forward and say "I wrote this, and it will work. If it doesnt I will fix it"