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Haha, "Wolfgang Draxinger" signed 28 days ago. Check out this epic battle between Draxinger and Poettering: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTdUmlGxVo0 http://ww

by hasmoo 15y ago

Haha, "Wolfgang Draxinger" signed 28 days ago. Check out this epic battle between Draxinger and Poettering: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTdUmlGxVo0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTdUmlGxVo0

darklajid 15y ago
I've to admit that the presentation as an 'epic battle' made me dismiss this at first. But thanks a lot for that link. It was amusing _and_ interesting.
albertzeyer 15y ago
When I read the headline of the article, I had to think exactly about this video. :) There were indeed good reasons for writing things like DBus, systemd, PulseAudio and others.
toyg 15y ago
The way Poettering dismisses the "1970s unix mindset" is really sad. Here we have a big Linux contributor who apparently doesn't appreciate his heritage, which explains why he's constantly trying to reinvent it... and poorly, as the saying goes. I'm one of those who really didn't see the need for PulseAudio or any of the *Kit stuff, and even HAL was kind of a train wreck (all those years to make it stable and supported by desktop managers, to then throw it all away). I'm sure he's just the most visible advocate of this approach, not the only one, but he's certainly responsible for a lot of the misery Linux desktop users like me were and are subjected to. After a decade of Linux on my desktop, I've switched back to Windows 7 in early 2011 and, to be honest, I'm quite happy I did.
- hasmoo 15y ago
  > I've switched back to Windows 7 in early 2011 and, to be honest, I'm quite happy I did. Yes, because Windows 7 and OS X already have all this modern non-70s-stuff that Lennart is trying to bring to Linux.
  - toyg 15y ago
    No, it's because they're coherent experiences, developing single components over 10 or even 20 years. They don't chuck out entire subsystems on a whim, breaking compatibility with everything and then blaming anybody but themselves for the resulting mess. Edit: it's quite astonishing how such a wide ecosystem of developers continues to misunderstand how you build successful developer ecosystems.
- LeonidasXIV 15y ago
  And I am tired of the 1970 Unix mindset, don't fix what is not broken. Can we please have filesystems with a consistent encoding, like in Plan 9 or, woohoo, Windows? Or do we really need to support a mixture of Shift-JIS, EUC-JP, CP-850 or whatever else an application chooses to use?
4ad 15y ago
Thank you for the youtube link. Great talk.

by hasmoo 15y ago

Haha, "Wolfgang Draxinger" signed 28 days ago. Check out this epic battle between Draxinger and Poettering: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTdUmlGxVo0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTdUmlGxVo0

darklajid 15y ago

I've to admit that the presentation as an 'epic battle' made me dismiss this at first. But thanks a lot for that link. It was amusing _and_ interesting.

albertzeyer 15y ago

When I read the headline of the article, I had to think exactly about this video. :) There were indeed good reasons for writing things like DBus, systemd, PulseAudio and others.

toyg 15y ago

The way Poettering dismisses the "1970s unix mindset" is really sad. Here we have a big Linux contributor who apparently doesn't appreciate his heritage, which explains why he's constantly trying to reinvent it... and poorly, as the saying goes. I'm one of those who really didn't see the need for PulseAudio or any of the *Kit stuff, and even HAL was kind of a train wreck (all those years to make it stable and supported by desktop managers, to then throw it all away). I'm sure he's just the most visible advocate of this approach, not the only one, but he's certainly responsible for a lot of the misery Linux desktop users like me were and are subjected to. After a decade of Linux on my desktop, I've switched back to Windows 7 in early 2011 and, to be honest, I'm quite happy I did.

hasmoo 15y ago
> I've switched back to Windows 7 in early 2011 and, to be honest, I'm quite happy I did. Yes, because Windows 7 and OS X already have all this modern non-70s-stuff that Lennart is trying to bring to Linux.
- toyg 15y ago
  No, it's because they're coherent experiences, developing single components over 10 or even 20 years. They don't chuck out entire subsystems on a whim, breaking compatibility with everything and then blaming anybody but themselves for the resulting mess. Edit: it's quite astonishing how such a wide ecosystem of developers continues to misunderstand how you build successful developer ecosystems.
LeonidasXIV 15y ago
And I am tired of the 1970 Unix mindset, don't fix what is not broken. Can we please have filesystems with a consistent encoding, like in Plan 9 or, woohoo, Windows? Or do we really need to support a mixture of Shift-JIS, EUC-JP, CP-850 or whatever else an application chooses to use?

4ad 15y ago

Thank you for the youtube link. Great talk.