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> Musk doesn't have a huge amount to offer on that topic, so I'm not here to support or adulate him, but I do care about words like "authoritarianism" being use
by clouddrover 4y ago
> Musk doesn't have a huge amount to offer on that topic, so I'm not here to support or adulate him, but I do care about words like "authoritarianism" being used with a reasonable level of accuracy, and I always hate seeing people being portrayed negatively on largely false grounds.
Then you must hate Musk. He is, after all, always willing to portray people negatively on largely false grounds. According to Musk, cave divers are pedophiles, Apple hates free speech, California is fascist, and so on and so forth.
Authoritarians have a loose association with the truth. The truth is just too inconvenient.
> He didn't argue for Ukraine to just submit; he said there should be an externally supervised referendum so the people in the contested regions can self-determine which country they're in.
Of course he did. There can't be an externally supervised referendum. They have been invaded. They are at war. Putin doesn't recognize Ukraine as a country or Ukrainians as a people. Russia doesn't do democracy. It hasn't for a long time.
> In both cases of Russia/Ukraine and China/Taiwan, he sees that the worst case scenario is utterly catastrophic (all-out global nuclear exchanges), and wants to find ways to resolve these disputes before it gets anywhere near that.
The solution in both cases is simple: Russia gets out of Ukraine and China stays out of Taiwan.
Russia and China are authoritarian regimes. They both share the attitude that big countries tell little countries what to do. Musk's advocacy of appeasement and submission to their belligerence is apology bordering on the quisling.
> You've presented no evidence for this,
Now you're just being naive. Space X is Elon and Elon is Space X. There is no in between: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/17/business/spacex-workers-elon-musk.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/17/business/spacex-workers-e...
Musk offered up the idea of a moderation council at Twitter which sounds like a good idea: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1586059953311137792 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1586059953311137792
But the reality is Musk will make moderation decisions and the council has no real power: https://www.complex.com/life/elon-musk-final-decision-twitter-content-moderation-council https://www.complex.com/life/elon-musk-final-decision-twitte...
He doesn't believe in free speech, except his own speech.
> Clearly, the governments/bodies mandating lockdowns and vaccinations were authoritarian.
No, public health measures are not authoritarian. That is farcical.
- ephextom 4y agoHeh, this reply is pretty-well entirely ad-hom and just-so story. Never mind!
- clouddrover 4y agoI never did mind. The facts of the matter are the facts of the matter. It's not an "ad hominem attack" or a "just-so story" just because you don't like what's true. Musk is what he is.
- ephextom 4y agoYou've presented zero facts that demonstrate Musk's authoritarianism. You've given your opinions on what positions others should have on highly complex, consequential topics like nuclear armed countries in prolonged conflict over deeply-entrenched grievances with long and complex histories. Fine, you're welcome to have opinions about those and any other issues. There's still no evidence there for Musk's authoritarianism, and you don't win arguments by dogmatically redefining words and insisting your opinions are facts. That would be, dare I say, authoritarian?
- clouddrover 4y ago> you don't win arguments by dogmatically redefining words and insisting your opinions are facts. That would be, dare I say, authoritarian? Musk likes to redefine words. Elon falsely claims he is a founder of Tesla: https://www.tesla.com/elon-musk https://www.tesla.com/elon-musk But in fact Martin Eberhard and Marc Tarpenning were the founders of Tesla: https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/06/tesla-founders-martin-eberhard-marc-tarpenning-on-elon-musk.html https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/06/tesla-founders-martin-eberha... In true authoritarian fashion, Musk doesn't let facts get in the way. Here is a sycophantic interview in which Musk pathetically attempts to redefine the word "founder": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHmSrK238vI&t=2358s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHmSrK238vI&t=2358s So, by your own standard, we've found yet another example of Musk's authoritarianism.
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