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I don't want to defend the Chinese government, but the transitions of power in China have been peaceful since Deng Xiaoping.

refurb 4y ago
Not hard to have a peaceful transition was all other parties are banned.
zdragnar 4y ago
In public, at least. Though, didn't Deng just get dragged out of Congress on camera?
- zucker42 4y ago
  You are thinking of Hu Jintao.
  - zdragnar 4y ago
    Ah yes, thank you.
scott_w 4y ago
> the dictator will never peacefully transfer power to a rival. Was Xi Jingping an open rival to Hu Jintao? Given Xi Jingping has purged his rivals from the levers of power, do you see any possibility that he'll peacefully stand down in 5 years to someone who is ideologically opposed to his government?
- zucker42 4y ago
  Stepping down peacefully in 5 years seems pretty unlikely. Stepping down peacefully in about 10 years, in favor of a younger leader who's amassed political power either within or outside of his camp seems entirely possible. Some previous examples of a rival taking power peacefully in China or the USSR are with Brezhnev displacing Khruschev and Deng Xiaoping displacing Hua Guofeng. I don't think Xi Jingping was really an open rival to Hu Jintao, but the nature of these sort of authoritarian governments is the rivalry is not really made open until the point at which the power transition happens, even if it obvious to those behind the scenes. A rival usually careful cultivates political support while openly declaring support for the leader until he has enough support to gain power. Certainly the way Xi Jingping has behaved toward the Hu Jintao/Jiang Zemin faction and the policies he has pushed indicate he is rivals with them. But really, the main point of my comment was rejecting the assertion that it is impossible for peaceful transitions of power to occur in countries like China. As long as a country has a norm that removal from leadership does not lead to physical harm, peaceful transitions of power are possible. I'm not trying to create a false equivalency between these governments and liberal democracies.

refurb 4y ago

Not hard to have a peaceful transition was all other parties are banned.

zdragnar 4y ago

In public, at least. Though, didn't Deng just get dragged out of Congress on camera?

zucker42 4y ago
You are thinking of Hu Jintao.
- zdragnar 4y ago
  Ah yes, thank you.

scott_w 4y ago

> the dictator will never peacefully transfer power to a rival. Was Xi Jingping an open rival to Hu Jintao? Given Xi Jingping has purged his rivals from the levers of power, do you see any possibility that he'll peacefully stand down in 5 years to someone who is ideologically opposed to his government?

zucker42 4y ago
Stepping down peacefully in 5 years seems pretty unlikely. Stepping down peacefully in about 10 years, in favor of a younger leader who's amassed political power either within or outside of his camp seems entirely possible. Some previous examples of a rival taking power peacefully in China or the USSR are with Brezhnev displacing Khruschev and Deng Xiaoping displacing Hua Guofeng. I don't think Xi Jingping was really an open rival to Hu Jintao, but the nature of these sort of authoritarian governments is the rivalry is not really made open until the point at which the power transition happens, even if it obvious to those behind the scenes. A rival usually careful cultivates political support while openly declaring support for the leader until he has enough support to gain power. Certainly the way Xi Jingping has behaved toward the Hu Jintao/Jiang Zemin faction and the policies he has pushed indicate he is rivals with them. But really, the main point of my comment was rejecting the assertion that it is impossible for peaceful transitions of power to occur in countries like China. As long as a country has a norm that removal from leadership does not lead to physical harm, peaceful transitions of power are possible. I'm not trying to create a false equivalency between these governments and liberal democracies.