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> military just seems to have safety standards a few decades behind everyone else I suspect they have the same standards as most industry. They just have a ton

> military just seems to have safety standards a few decades behind everyone else I suspect they have the same standards as most industry. They just have a ton of exceptions and other get-out clauses in the form of national safety arguements. These arguements will fall off steadily as new materials/techniques become commonplace, it becomes shown that the risks don't justify the supposed national safety benefits, or (in the case of bases on foreign soil) relevant treatises come into effect, so safety procedures will be seen to "catch up". Though sometimes on top of "national security" reasons there is also the "who will know until far too late if ever" thinking to contend with…

TEP_Kim_Il_Sung 4y ago
As a veteran, I can confirm they have the same or standards as industry, or better. However, they also waive a lot of those standards.
tremon 4y ago
So the problem is lack of enforcement, rather than lack of standards? What good does having a standard do if it's not consistently applied?
- dspillett 4y ago
  > So the problem is lack of enforcement, rather than lack of standards? Essentially, yes. > What good does having a standard do if it's not consistently applied? They are quiet standards than the military, having the standard generally is a good thing. A military base in, local it in foreign soil, being able to exempt themselves from the standard doesn't make it a bad standard for everyone else to follow. "If captain Billy put his head in a fire, would you?" and all that. Also if the standards are eventually applied as the exemptions stop working for one reason or another, they do their job eventually which is more often than not better than never.
krick 4y ago
If you don't give a shit about some "standards" it doesn't really make sense that you "have these standards".
- dspillett 4y ago
  I'm not saying they are right to do things that way, just that it would appear that they do do things that way.
phs318u 4y ago
My first job in 1987 was with the Australian Department of Defence and as I recall in this country, they are explicitly exempted from environmental laws governing everyone else. I wouldn't be surprised if something like this is true in most countries.

TEP_Kim_Il_Sung 4y ago

As a veteran, I can confirm they have the same or standards as industry, or better. However, they also waive a lot of those standards.

tremon 4y ago

So the problem is lack of enforcement, rather than lack of standards? What good does having a standard do if it's not consistently applied?

dspillett 4y ago
> So the problem is lack of enforcement, rather than lack of standards? Essentially, yes. > What good does having a standard do if it's not consistently applied? They are quiet standards than the military, having the standard generally is a good thing. A military base in, local it in foreign soil, being able to exempt themselves from the standard doesn't make it a bad standard for everyone else to follow. "If captain Billy put his head in a fire, would you?" and all that. Also if the standards are eventually applied as the exemptions stop working for one reason or another, they do their job eventually which is more often than not better than never.

krick 4y ago

If you don't give a shit about some "standards" it doesn't really make sense that you "have these standards".

dspillett 4y ago
I'm not saying they are right to do things that way, just that it would appear that they do do things that way.

phs318u 4y ago

My first job in 1987 was with the Australian Department of Defence and as I recall in this country, they are explicitly exempted from environmental laws governing everyone else. I wouldn't be surprised if something like this is true in most countries.