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I know there is a seemingly endless stream of people who are going to make 'Russian propaganda' allegations under any substantive comment that goes against the
by oska 4y ago
I know there is a seemingly endless stream of people who are going to make 'Russian propaganda' allegations under any substantive comment that goes against the dominant Western media narrative, with facile and shallow rebuttals of points made. But this is a very serious topic and every serious person should stop and think before they engage in such behaviour. The Russian propaganda charge here is especially stupid when I only referenced the views of US Americans and Britons, including :
1. George Kennan - "best known as an advocate of a policy of containment of Soviet expansion during the Cold War" [1]
2. William Burns - United States Deputy Secretary of State (2011-2014), Director of the Central Intelligence Agency since 2021 [2]
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_F._Kennan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_F._Kennan
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_J._Burns https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_J._Burns
- driuha 4y agoCan serious person use Occam's razor? The explanation for war in Ukraine is that Putin wants to stay in power, plain and simple.
- oska 4y agoOccam's Razor tells us that the Russians acted to 1) stop the constant bombing and cultural suppression of the Russian speaking people in the east and south of Ukraine that had been ongoing since the US backed coup in 2014 and 2) to finally move against the build up of forces and weapons that the US had been pouring into Ukraine since the coup to trigger a war on Russia's border that they hoped would lead to the destruction and dismemberment of the Russian state itself (the openly stated goals of the US). (In parenthesis, I will also note the very silly but oft-repeated mistake of conflating Putin with Russia in the comment above. Russia does not act on the whims or personal ambitions of Putin; indeed, Putin stays in power largely by responding to the needs and desires of the Russian people, and the pressure inside Russia for him to act against the existential threat building on the Russian/Ukrainian border has been very strong and he has faced criticism for not acting earlier.)
- driuha 4y agoOccam's razor is the idea that, in trying to understand something, getting unnecessary information out of the way is the fastest way to the truth or to the best explanation (c) wiki The explanation about dictator's desire for power(now also life) is more simple than geopolitics and cultural suppression. And about the needs of the Russian people: I don't remember Russians having a debate about starting a full scale war. Maybe Putin thinks its what they need but if there was a real debate we can safely assume people would prioritize having in-house toilets and a million other things that are suddenly became not so important.
- oska 4y agoYou are 'applying Occam's razor' to a fiction, not reality. Anyone can dream up a fiction (or take one supplied to them) and then draw a simplistic conclusion from it.
- driuha 4y agoI'm applying explanation to a fact. "Fiction" is not the right property to categorize explanations, the right one would be "probability". So yes, anyone can dream up an explanation and then judge if one is more probable than the other.