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Evil is a fine editor.

by ticviking 4y ago

fiddlerwoaroof 4y ago
Best implementation of the vim standard
- Kamq 4y ago
  It's surprising how good it is. They even get the = register. Evaluates elisp instead of vim script, but what are you gonna do?
  - yjftsjthsd-h 4y ago
    > Evaluates elisp instead of vim script, but what are you gonna do? Celebrate? I like vim, but I don't think I've ever heard someone praise vimscript; even neovim added lua.
    - Kamq 4y ago
      The big annoyance on the elisp front is it makes math slightly more annoying (~80% of my usage of the register). Trying to evaluate x + y and have vim insert the result is now (+ x y), which is more key-presses. It's a trivial, but slightly annoying in my common case. Also throwing a bunch of things into an array and indexing into the result, then incrementing a number is more complicated as well (I usually run this in a macro to process a list of things), which is another ~15% of my usage. There are a lot of things to complain about in vimscript, but infix operators and c-style array indexing has never been at the top of that list. That being said, in the general case, elisp offers a really nice way to integrate with the editor. Far superior to classic vim-script. It just makes the = register slightly more annoying. But, asking someone someone to maintain an entire language interpreter just to make the = register more familiar is kinda too much to expect of someone. At least the = register is there, I've never found another vim emulator that even has it.
      - fiddlerwoaroof 4y ago
        One trick that makes life easier for lisp is to use something like Karabiner Elements or xcape to turn taps on the shift keys into parentheses. Also, setting up nice keybindings to insert and manipulate parens. Between these two things, I’ve never found lisp any harder to enter than infix languages.
        Kamq 4y ago
        Yeah, it's not the worst thing ever, it's just weird manipulating text in command mode. The standard emacs keybindings do work, but it's not what I've spent the better part of a decade burning into my muscle memory. Oh well, c'est la vie. Evil + slime/sly is still a better lisp experience than anything else I've tried.

Evil is a fine editor.

fiddlerwoaroof 4y ago

Best implementation of the vim standard

Kamq 4y ago
It's surprising how good it is. They even get the = register. Evaluates elisp instead of vim script, but what are you gonna do?
- yjftsjthsd-h 4y ago
  > Evaluates elisp instead of vim script, but what are you gonna do? Celebrate? I like vim, but I don't think I've ever heard someone praise vimscript; even neovim added lua.
  - Kamq 4y ago
    The big annoyance on the elisp front is it makes math slightly more annoying (~80% of my usage of the register). Trying to evaluate x + y and have vim insert the result is now (+ x y), which is more key-presses. It's a trivial, but slightly annoying in my common case. Also throwing a bunch of things into an array and indexing into the result, then incrementing a number is more complicated as well (I usually run this in a macro to process a list of things), which is another ~15% of my usage. There are a lot of things to complain about in vimscript, but infix operators and c-style array indexing has never been at the top of that list. That being said, in the general case, elisp offers a really nice way to integrate with the editor. Far superior to classic vim-script. It just makes the = register slightly more annoying. But, asking someone someone to maintain an entire language interpreter just to make the = register more familiar is kinda too much to expect of someone. At least the = register is there, I've never found another vim emulator that even has it.
    - fiddlerwoaroof 4y ago
      One trick that makes life easier for lisp is to use something like Karabiner Elements or xcape to turn taps on the shift keys into parentheses. Also, setting up nice keybindings to insert and manipulate parens. Between these two things, I’ve never found lisp any harder to enter than infix languages.
      - Kamq 4y ago
        Yeah, it's not the worst thing ever, it's just weird manipulating text in command mode. The standard emacs keybindings do work, but it's not what I've spent the better part of a decade burning into my muscle memory. Oh well, c'est la vie. Evil + slime/sly is still a better lisp experience than anything else I've tried.