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What does “giving a platform” even mean? Asking him to explain himself while the slow moving process of banks, regulators, courts, and criminal investigators ta

by dmix 4y ago

What does “giving a platform” even mean? Asking him to explain himself while the slow moving process of banks, regulators, courts, and criminal investigators take apart his company? Do you think this will somehow stop any of that from happening? That he can talk his way out of losing $5 billion?

stephc_int13 4y ago
There is this growing belief, especially among genZ kids, that what happens online, what is seen by an audience, is the prevalent reality. And this is not entirely false, in practice.
- dmix 4y ago
  All I see on social media is that SBF engaged in a black and white pump and dump scheme or is a straight up Bernie Madoff. That’s also probably not reality either, it’s far more complicated and nuanced. Would you prefer that is how the narrative stays? He becomes a Disney villain? That it’s as bad as possible to punish him? As some sort of deterrence? GenZ won’t be watching raw WSJ interviews, it will be chopped up in TikTok videos with the usual “world is going to shit” spin the media always uses.
  - somenameforme 4y ago
    SBF is, at the minimum, a conman and a liar. And not only is he a conman and a liar, but an exceptionally skilled one. He managed to get the backing of the World Economic Forum, and even various world leaders including Bill Clinton and Tony Blair. The "narrative" should stay within the domain of the facts established, and not within the ever-widening range of fables being spun by a skilled liar. And the facts established are not ambiguous. Money, in the billions, is completely unaccounted for. What money that can be accounted for was repeatedly misappropriated (which is a high felony, and not the 'oopsie' it might sound). There were "backdoors" to enable money to be removed from accounts with 0 accounting, and more. This is a not a "nuanced" case.
  - edmundsauto 4y ago
    > GenZ won’t be watching raw WSJ interviews, it will be chopped up in TikTok videos with the usual “world is going to shit” spin the media always uses. This is an unfair statement, because it implies a difference about GenZ versus the millennials with cnn or boomers with Fox News. Not only is it unsubstantiated but also unnecessary.
    - andirk 4y ago
      A few of the best in-depth coverages of the scummy US politicians during the 2020 election were done by Teen Vogue. TikTok is a pile, but I agree that juxtaposing it to Clinton Network Network, MSDNC, and Fox Snooze as if those hold any integrity at this point is laughable.
      - edmundsauto 4y ago
        There’s no need for name calling. It may come from frustration but it sounds childish and reduces the quality of discourse.
    - dmix 4y ago
      I don’t think it’s any different but let’s be honest about the type of political content younger people often consume. It’s always snippy, fast paced, and with a “surprising” angle. 24hr talking heads are equally low brow but it’s usually more straight forward sound bite + overt opinion layer.
  - dragonwriter 4y ago
    > GenZ won’t be watching raw WSJ interviews, it will be chopped up in TikTok videos with the usual “world is going to shit” spin the media always uses. I am old enough to remember when mostly Silent Generation and older types were saying essentially the same thing (using different youth culture reference points) about the “the MTV generation” (Gen X, mostly), and its a lot like complaints about youth that have been attested to about as far back as we have recovered writing.
dvt 4y ago
> Asking him to explain himself There's nothing to explain, and more importantly, no one is challenging him on bullshit answers. He gets asked questions like "So what happened to the 8+ billion dollars FTX is missing?" to which he's answered (several times now) with a variation of "Well you see, running an exchange is complicated, and we mislabeled accounts. Really, though, the money is actually almost all there, and people can be made whole" with zero pushback.
- cma 4y ago
  He was grilled here, and it was posted by Tiffany Fong: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKrT9Jae4No https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKrT9Jae4No
  - dvt 4y ago
    I listened to that spaces, and Coffeezilla is the one exception. Btw, SBF quickly bailed just after Coffeezilla took the stage because he can't handle it when someone really brings the heat; he was around for like an hour+ prior taking softball questions from the crypto clown show.
    - dieselgate 4y ago
      Yeah just listened to that snippet posted above and coffeezilla was pretty savage. FTX/SBF coverage is basically his bread and butter now

by dmix 4y ago

stephc_int13 4y ago

There is this growing belief, especially among genZ kids, that what happens online, what is seen by an audience, is the prevalent reality. And this is not entirely false, in practice.

dmix 4y ago
All I see on social media is that SBF engaged in a black and white pump and dump scheme or is a straight up Bernie Madoff. That’s also probably not reality either, it’s far more complicated and nuanced. Would you prefer that is how the narrative stays? He becomes a Disney villain? That it’s as bad as possible to punish him? As some sort of deterrence? GenZ won’t be watching raw WSJ interviews, it will be chopped up in TikTok videos with the usual “world is going to shit” spin the media always uses.
- somenameforme 4y ago
  SBF is, at the minimum, a conman and a liar. And not only is he a conman and a liar, but an exceptionally skilled one. He managed to get the backing of the World Economic Forum, and even various world leaders including Bill Clinton and Tony Blair. The "narrative" should stay within the domain of the facts established, and not within the ever-widening range of fables being spun by a skilled liar. And the facts established are not ambiguous. Money, in the billions, is completely unaccounted for. What money that can be accounted for was repeatedly misappropriated (which is a high felony, and not the 'oopsie' it might sound). There were "backdoors" to enable money to be removed from accounts with 0 accounting, and more. This is a not a "nuanced" case.
- edmundsauto 4y ago
  > GenZ won’t be watching raw WSJ interviews, it will be chopped up in TikTok videos with the usual “world is going to shit” spin the media always uses. This is an unfair statement, because it implies a difference about GenZ versus the millennials with cnn or boomers with Fox News. Not only is it unsubstantiated but also unnecessary.
  - andirk 4y ago
    A few of the best in-depth coverages of the scummy US politicians during the 2020 election were done by Teen Vogue. TikTok is a pile, but I agree that juxtaposing it to Clinton Network Network, MSDNC, and Fox Snooze as if those hold any integrity at this point is laughable.
    - edmundsauto 4y ago
      There’s no need for name calling. It may come from frustration but it sounds childish and reduces the quality of discourse.
  - dmix 4y ago
    I don’t think it’s any different but let’s be honest about the type of political content younger people often consume. It’s always snippy, fast paced, and with a “surprising” angle. 24hr talking heads are equally low brow but it’s usually more straight forward sound bite + overt opinion layer.
- dragonwriter 4y ago
  > GenZ won’t be watching raw WSJ interviews, it will be chopped up in TikTok videos with the usual “world is going to shit” spin the media always uses. I am old enough to remember when mostly Silent Generation and older types were saying essentially the same thing (using different youth culture reference points) about the “the MTV generation” (Gen X, mostly), and its a lot like complaints about youth that have been attested to about as far back as we have recovered writing.

dvt 4y ago

> Asking him to explain himself There's nothing to explain, and more importantly, no one is challenging him on bullshit answers. He gets asked questions like "So what happened to the 8+ billion dollars FTX is missing?" to which he's answered (several times now) with a variation of "Well you see, running an exchange is complicated, and we mislabeled accounts. Really, though, the money is actually almost all there, and people can be made whole" with zero pushback.

cma 4y ago
He was grilled here, and it was posted by Tiffany Fong: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKrT9Jae4No https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKrT9Jae4No
- dvt 4y ago
  I listened to that spaces, and Coffeezilla is the one exception. Btw, SBF quickly bailed just after Coffeezilla took the stage because he can't handle it when someone really brings the heat; he was around for like an hour+ prior taking softball questions from the crypto clown show.
  - dieselgate 4y ago
    Yeah just listened to that snippet posted above and coffeezilla was pretty savage. FTX/SBF coverage is basically his bread and butter now