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It is much easier when you don't reiterate propaganda. Or should I go and tell Russian speaking Ukrainian refugees in my area that they are in fact being libera

It is much easier when you don't reiterate propaganda. Or should I go and tell Russian speaking Ukrainian refugees in my area that they are in fact being liberated and as soon as liberation is done they can return back home to the new Russia that they dreamed of?

f6v 4y ago
I’ve seen people from Kherson and Mariupol in a filtration center recently. I can’t even pretend to imagine what they’re going through. There was an expression of deep trauma on their faces. It’s truly tragic. But you can’t deny no diplomatic attempts were made to prevent the conflict by either party. I’m not putting all the blame on one side, that’s a gross oversimplification.
- gattilorenz 4y ago
  That there was no diplomatic attempt on either side is true, however what would it look like in practice? Ukraine being pressed by the world to concede part of its territory to Russia to stop the violence (after it already lost years ago, at least in practice, Crimea)? That’s literally (yes, actual literally, not metaphorically), the appeasement strategy that led to the invasion of Poland and, ultimately, WWII.
  - Normille 4y ago
    The democratically elected government of Mexico has been overthrown by a populist uprising and has been replaced by a government which is staunchly pro China and wants Mexico to appy to join in a military alliance with China. Being a stalwart defender of 'free-dam & deee-mocracy' the US shrugs and says ' Oh well. It was the will of the people. Nothing we can do about it' </Jackanory>
    - lostmsu 4y ago
      That's, basically, Cuba. Don't remember when did the US invade.
ithkuil 4y ago
I find Russian propaganda shallow and obviously nationalistic crap. But I can't ignore the fact that it works on some people. Also, once a person holds a POV aligned with that propaganda, having a discussion with another person that has another POV is extremely difficult unless the two parties are at least aware of each other's fundamentally different points of view.

f6v 4y ago

I’ve seen people from Kherson and Mariupol in a filtration center recently. I can’t even pretend to imagine what they’re going through. There was an expression of deep trauma on their faces. It’s truly tragic. But you can’t deny no diplomatic attempts were made to prevent the conflict by either party. I’m not putting all the blame on one side, that’s a gross oversimplification.

gattilorenz 4y ago
That there was no diplomatic attempt on either side is true, however what would it look like in practice? Ukraine being pressed by the world to concede part of its territory to Russia to stop the violence (after it already lost years ago, at least in practice, Crimea)? That’s literally (yes, actual literally, not metaphorically), the appeasement strategy that led to the invasion of Poland and, ultimately, WWII.
- Normille 4y ago
  The democratically elected government of Mexico has been overthrown by a populist uprising and has been replaced by a government which is staunchly pro China and wants Mexico to appy to join in a military alliance with China. Being a stalwart defender of 'free-dam & deee-mocracy' the US shrugs and says ' Oh well. It was the will of the people. Nothing we can do about it' </Jackanory>
  - lostmsu 4y ago
    That's, basically, Cuba. Don't remember when did the US invade.

ithkuil 4y ago

I find Russian propaganda shallow and obviously nationalistic crap. But I can't ignore the fact that it works on some people. Also, once a person holds a POV aligned with that propaganda, having a discussion with another person that has another POV is extremely difficult unless the two parties are at least aware of each other's fundamentally different points of view.