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Perhaps so, but my dang MacBook does the same thing. I have turned off every single thing that I possibly can that would cause it to wake up, and yet I still ra

Perhaps so, but my dang MacBook does the same thing. I have turned off every single thing that I possibly can that would cause it to wake up, and yet I still randomly find it turning on for no reason pretty much every other day. I’ll walk by my study and find it turning on for short periods, I’ve pulled it out of my bag hot as fire, I’ve had it drain the battery in the middle of the night, etc. Looking at the logs, I’ll often see that it just decided to get into a random loop of dark wakes and sleeps. It’s infuriating.

PaulBGD_ 4y ago
Did you try the solution in the video?
joxel 4y ago
This is addressed in the video, Apple provides a setting to turn it off. Windows has disabled every workaround for turning it off.
- acchow 4y ago
  I've never had an issue on Macbook Pro or M1 Air. Never had to try the workaround from the video.
  - billti 4y ago
    Yeah. I have an Intel MacBook Pro (nearly 10 years old) and never hit this problem. I can leave it on the shelf for a month and it’ll still have a 70% charge. I just gave up on Windows and brought a new M1 Mac due to this exact issue (the Intel one wasn’t getting OS updates any more). The speed and reliability with which a Mac sleeps and wakes and how well it maintains battery is insanely good. My Windows laptop was more like a portable desktop, as I always had to plug it in and would walk around with the lid open rather than risk a sleep/wake attempt between meetings.
    - HJain13 4y ago
      But according to the video; a 10 year old windows laptop wouldn't have this issue as well. It would probably go to sleep properly as expected almost every time. Also I have had this issue with Macbook Pro 15 (2019), so it can't be guaranteed every-time for any OS I guess; not sure of the reason though. To me closing the lid should take preference over everything.
  - TomSwirly 4y ago
    I'm temporarily sleeping in the room with my MacBook Pro, and it wakes up (and turns on a glowing peripheral too) half a dozen times during the night, to the point I unplug that peripheral before I go to sleep. My previous, older Mac wouldn't sleep at all for more than a few seconds unless I unplugged the external monitor.
- GekkePrutser 4y ago
  Wake on network in macOS settings is actually not what this is for. It's for listening to wake on LAN packets. Linus got this wrong in his video. The "modern standby" feature on macs is called power nap: https://support.apple.com/en-ie/guide/mac-help/mh40773/mac https://support.apple.com/en-ie/guide/mac-help/mh40773/mac It already has different behavior depending on whether it's on battery or mains. You can turn it off but it's not the option that Linus mentioned. It's elsewhere: https://support.apple.com/en-ie/guide/mac-help/mh40774/mac https://support.apple.com/en-ie/guide/mac-help/mh40774/mac
  - kalleboo 4y ago
    Power Nap is only an option on Intel Macs. On Apple Silicon Macs, the machine is never going into that deep a sleep to wake up from (it's basically a huge iPhone, remember?) and Wake for network access is not for Wake on LAN but rather if you want it to keep WiFi running to get push notifications etc while in "sleep" (the description under it in Settings even says it's for iMessage and iCloud updates). Marcan has talked about Apple Silicon sleep states wrt to implementing it in Asahi Linux and IIRC they never put the machine to sleep, they just stop all the processes and hardware like the display and let the CPU idle normally (which it's extremely efficient at)
- jscheel 4y ago
  Yeah, I've turned literally everything off that I can. Not just power nap, all the random wake settings they have: powernap off, proximitywake off, networkoversleep off... all the way down to actually disabling wifi and bt when my lid closes. It's a mess.
  - passwd 4y ago
    What worked for me was disabling the feature of keeping the TCP connections alive. No idea if it's covered by 'networkoversleep', but this is as deep as I've went, considering I've then received a warning that "Find my Mac" will stop working after this toggle.
    - jscheel 4y ago
      yep, I did the same. So, last time I dug into it, I found a separate issue where it would darkwake to do things like check in with find my mac, and then an app that had an idle power assertion would prevent the darkwake from fully shutting down again. That's separate from it getting into a weird loop of waking and sleeping though.
reanimated 4y ago
I think the issue with macbooks is similar, but happens when you have USB-C dock with an external display connected. When you close the lid while connected to the dock, mac does not go to sleep but just switches to using the external display (aka clamshell mode) and when you unplug your computer to put it in your backpack, it just remains active instead of going to sleep. The solution to this is to install noclamshell via brew or just get in the habit of disconnecting your mac first before closing the lid. I noticed this because previously it was sleeping completly fine and the problems started only recently which is inline then I started using the dock.
- jscheel 4y ago
  I've seen that happen, but I'm specifically talking about disconnecting my dock (if it's even connected), closing my lid, confirming the fans are off, putting it in a bag, then finding it back on later doing an infinite loop of darkwakes for no reason.

PaulBGD_ 4y ago

Did you try the solution in the video?

joxel 4y ago

This is addressed in the video, Apple provides a setting to turn it off. Windows has disabled every workaround for turning it off.

acchow 4y ago
I've never had an issue on Macbook Pro or M1 Air. Never had to try the workaround from the video.
- billti 4y ago
  Yeah. I have an Intel MacBook Pro (nearly 10 years old) and never hit this problem. I can leave it on the shelf for a month and it’ll still have a 70% charge. I just gave up on Windows and brought a new M1 Mac due to this exact issue (the Intel one wasn’t getting OS updates any more). The speed and reliability with which a Mac sleeps and wakes and how well it maintains battery is insanely good. My Windows laptop was more like a portable desktop, as I always had to plug it in and would walk around with the lid open rather than risk a sleep/wake attempt between meetings.
  - HJain13 4y ago
    But according to the video; a 10 year old windows laptop wouldn't have this issue as well. It would probably go to sleep properly as expected almost every time. Also I have had this issue with Macbook Pro 15 (2019), so it can't be guaranteed every-time for any OS I guess; not sure of the reason though. To me closing the lid should take preference over everything.
- TomSwirly 4y ago
  I'm temporarily sleeping in the room with my MacBook Pro, and it wakes up (and turns on a glowing peripheral too) half a dozen times during the night, to the point I unplug that peripheral before I go to sleep. My previous, older Mac wouldn't sleep at all for more than a few seconds unless I unplugged the external monitor.
GekkePrutser 4y ago
Wake on network in macOS settings is actually not what this is for. It's for listening to wake on LAN packets. Linus got this wrong in his video. The "modern standby" feature on macs is called power nap: https://support.apple.com/en-ie/guide/mac-help/mh40773/mac https://support.apple.com/en-ie/guide/mac-help/mh40773/mac It already has different behavior depending on whether it's on battery or mains. You can turn it off but it's not the option that Linus mentioned. It's elsewhere: https://support.apple.com/en-ie/guide/mac-help/mh40774/mac https://support.apple.com/en-ie/guide/mac-help/mh40774/mac
- kalleboo 4y ago
  Power Nap is only an option on Intel Macs. On Apple Silicon Macs, the machine is never going into that deep a sleep to wake up from (it's basically a huge iPhone, remember?) and Wake for network access is not for Wake on LAN but rather if you want it to keep WiFi running to get push notifications etc while in "sleep" (the description under it in Settings even says it's for iMessage and iCloud updates). Marcan has talked about Apple Silicon sleep states wrt to implementing it in Asahi Linux and IIRC they never put the machine to sleep, they just stop all the processes and hardware like the display and let the CPU idle normally (which it's extremely efficient at)
jscheel 4y ago
Yeah, I've turned literally everything off that I can. Not just power nap, all the random wake settings they have: powernap off, proximitywake off, networkoversleep off... all the way down to actually disabling wifi and bt when my lid closes. It's a mess.
- passwd 4y ago
  What worked for me was disabling the feature of keeping the TCP connections alive. No idea if it's covered by 'networkoversleep', but this is as deep as I've went, considering I've then received a warning that "Find my Mac" will stop working after this toggle.
  - jscheel 4y ago
    yep, I did the same. So, last time I dug into it, I found a separate issue where it would darkwake to do things like check in with find my mac, and then an app that had an idle power assertion would prevent the darkwake from fully shutting down again. That's separate from it getting into a weird loop of waking and sleeping though.

reanimated 4y ago

I think the issue with macbooks is similar, but happens when you have USB-C dock with an external display connected. When you close the lid while connected to the dock, mac does not go to sleep but just switches to using the external display (aka clamshell mode) and when you unplug your computer to put it in your backpack, it just remains active instead of going to sleep. The solution to this is to install noclamshell via brew or just get in the habit of disconnecting your mac first before closing the lid. I noticed this because previously it was sleeping completly fine and the problems started only recently which is inline then I started using the dock.

jscheel 4y ago
I've seen that happen, but I'm specifically talking about disconnecting my dock (if it's even connected), closing my lid, confirming the fans are off, putting it in a bag, then finding it back on later doing an infinite loop of darkwakes for no reason.