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Sorry but that's not a very convincing argument. Seems to me that you are painting Hayton as transphobic simply for having opinions on trans issues that you don

by bbbbbp 4y ago

Sorry but that's not a very convincing argument. Seems to me that you are painting Hayton as transphobic simply for having opinions on trans issues that you don't agree with, but that are more aligned with those of feminists. I think Hayton's article provides a view that carefully and thoughtfully balances the needs of both women and transwomen. It's a refreshing change from the type of activism that demands all sex-segregated spaces be torn down and that sex-based rights no longer matter.

0ct4via 4y ago
It's not my job to convince you of anything, random newcomer. Given intersectional feminism is much larger than TERFdom, you might want to consider it as "aligning with those of a minority of [so-called] feminists." Where are those "feminists" when it comes to trans men? Oh wait, just claim they're confused lesbians, and focus on labelling every trans woman as a predator -- because that's what feminism is about, reducing women to genitals. /s The fact that you say "both women and transwomen" shows your own disingenuousness and transphobia, both failing to recognise trans women as women, and failing to grasp the simple concept that "trans" is a descriptor, and "transwomen" isn't a thing. Who's "demanding all sex-segregated spaced be torn down" exactly? Nobody here, and certainly not I. Neither is anyone here claiming that "sex-based rights no longer matter," but good job with the straw man and whataboutism yet again. What's your interest in HN? You don't seem to be here with any interest in the regular topics, are you only here to espouse anti-trans views? Don't you have Mumsnet and Woman's Place for that?
- bbbbbp 4y ago
  > are you only here to espouse anti-trans views? Your own account, which has public activity going back for less than a month, is almost entirely dedicated to soapboxing on trans issues. Rather a case of the pot calling the kettle black, don't you think?
  - engineer_22 4y ago
    - 0ct4via 4y ago
      - dang 4y ago
        I've replied to both of you elsewhere (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33850484 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33850484 and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33850509 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33850509) but you both posted so destructively in this thread that more than one reply seems appropriate. Flamewar like this is completely against the rules and spirit of this site. We ban accounts that do this, so please don't do it again—regardless of how right you are or feel you are. Instead, please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and use HN in the intended spirit from now on. If you can't do that or don't want to, please don't post until you can and do.
    - dang 4y ago
      I've replied to both of you elsewhere (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33850509 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33850509 and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33850484 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33850484) but you both posted so destructively in this thread that more than one reply seems appropriate. Flamewar like this is completely against the rules and spirit of this site. We ban accounts that do this, so please don't do it again—regardless of how right you are or feel you are. Instead, please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and use HN in the intended spirit from now on. If you can't do that or don't want to, please don't post until you can and do.
  - 0ct4via 4y ago
    - bbbbbp 4y ago
      So, you've used a recently resurrected account to engage on this specific issue, mostly by calling people disingenuous, transphobic bigots, in a series of long and rambling comments that meander from one poorly-argued point to another, while being condescending or otherwise abrasive. It's not a very effective method of expressing disagreement, is it?
      - 0ct4via 4y ago

by bbbbbp 4y ago

0ct4via 4y ago

It's not my job to convince you of anything, random newcomer. Given intersectional feminism is much larger than TERFdom, you might want to consider it as "aligning with those of a minority of [so-called] feminists." Where are those "feminists" when it comes to trans men? Oh wait, just claim they're confused lesbians, and focus on labelling every trans woman as a predator -- because that's what feminism is about, reducing women to genitals. /s The fact that you say "both women and transwomen" shows your own disingenuousness and transphobia, both failing to recognise trans women as women, and failing to grasp the simple concept that "trans" is a descriptor, and "transwomen" isn't a thing. Who's "demanding all sex-segregated spaced be torn down" exactly? Nobody here, and certainly not I. Neither is anyone here claiming that "sex-based rights no longer matter," but good job with the straw man and whataboutism yet again. What's your interest in HN? You don't seem to be here with any interest in the regular topics, are you only here to espouse anti-trans views? Don't you have Mumsnet and Woman's Place for that?

bbbbbp 4y ago
> are you only here to espouse anti-trans views? Your own account, which has public activity going back for less than a month, is almost entirely dedicated to soapboxing on trans issues. Rather a case of the pot calling the kettle black, don't you think?
- engineer_22 4y ago
  - 0ct4via 4y ago
    - dang 4y ago
      I've replied to both of you elsewhere (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33850484 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33850484 and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33850509 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33850509) but you both posted so destructively in this thread that more than one reply seems appropriate. Flamewar like this is completely against the rules and spirit of this site. We ban accounts that do this, so please don't do it again—regardless of how right you are or feel you are. Instead, please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and use HN in the intended spirit from now on. If you can't do that or don't want to, please don't post until you can and do.
  - dang 4y ago
    I've replied to both of you elsewhere (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33850509 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33850509 and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33850484 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33850484) but you both posted so destructively in this thread that more than one reply seems appropriate. Flamewar like this is completely against the rules and spirit of this site. We ban accounts that do this, so please don't do it again—regardless of how right you are or feel you are. Instead, please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and use HN in the intended spirit from now on. If you can't do that or don't want to, please don't post until you can and do.
- 0ct4via 4y ago
  - bbbbbp 4y ago
    So, you've used a recently resurrected account to engage on this specific issue, mostly by calling people disingenuous, transphobic bigots, in a series of long and rambling comments that meander from one poorly-argued point to another, while being condescending or otherwise abrasive. It's not a very effective method of expressing disagreement, is it?
    - 0ct4via 4y ago